2021 Turkish Grand Prix - Istanbul Park, Oct 08 - 10

[cplchanb]

After Max came onto this new set he got a radio message "bring these inters up to temperature carefully". Maybe Hamilton pushed too hard on the outlap?

Everyone was slower on the new inters after the first lap as they just started graining. Once through the graining phase, everyone gained lots of pace. It was a just a straight forward bad call by the team as it was too late in the race after everyone else had gone through the pain.

Yes, but if would have not pushed as hard then he wouldn't have grained them. Max didn't grain his. On balance it could have been faster for Hamilton to go 0.5s slower on the first lap.

he had no choice....had he cruised for the first couple laps he wouldve been even further back. he had no time for that with 8 laps remaining.

[Just_a_fan]

I know sometimes the strategists and the sims see things we don’t from our armchairs, but I’ve no idea what they were thinkin today. Even if they’d left him out he’d have finished no lower at the very worst.

Exactly. The gamble to stay out was the correct one to take, not pit and drop in to a battle with tyres that everyone had graining on for the first half dozen laps - almost all of the laps that were remaining in fact. Stupid call for once.

[Just_a_fan]

So had Hamilton not pitted, he would've finished third wouldn't he.

Yes, easy third as he had plenty of room back to P4.

[cplchanb]

So had Hamilton not pitted, he would've finished third wouldn't he.

yup....shm......

[Gillian]

Hamilton and Leclerc should have pitted earlier or not at all. The response Leclerc got from his engineer when he asked what position he would finish at his pace... P1 if you stay before Bottas. That made laugh so hard, what a dumb answer.

[nzjrs]

Everyone was slower on the new inters after the first lap as they just started graining. Once through the graining phase, everyone gained lots of pace. It was a just a straight forward bad call by the team as it was too late in the race after everyone else had gone through the pain.

Yes, but if would have not pushed as hard then he wouldn't have grained them. Max didn't grain his. On balance it could have been faster for Hamilton to go 0.5s slower on the first lap.

Max had space to do it. He wasn't dropped back in to a battle. This isn't about Hamilton messing up, it was the strategy team believing the computer over the driver in conditions where the driver knows what the car is doing.

Hamilton had gaps either side when he came out. A slower outlap could have helped here. He seemed a bit pissed off, maybe the team should have intervened with a target lap time to stop him over pushing and graining the tires. Arguably another mistake from the MB pit wall there.

[Juzh]

I think Lewis had a tiny lift in T8 which was not shown in app telemetry.

I dont think so. T8 is so easy now its no point in lifting even only 1%.
https://i.imgur.com/XU6syIa.png

Check the following 2 in FastF1.
Bottas had 2 tiny lifts in 1st Q3 lap.
Lewis had 1 tiny lift in 1st Q2 lap (still never dipped below 270km/h).

All good.

[Bill_Kar]

Unbelievable stuff once AGAIN from Mercedes.

[El Scorchio]

merc --- themselves again by overreliance to a computer rather than the driver......

100%. My huge criticism of the Mercedes strategy is they seem to rely completely and blindly on what the computer says rather than any sort of feeling as to the real world conditions. How many times have they said ‘the computer suggested this would happen’ when it belies what everyone can see with their own eyes.

[nzjrs]

how on earth did leclerc get DOTD????!@!!! he did nothing special and made many mistakes..... hamilton shouldve been DOTD but naturally the max crowd probably saturated leclerc with their votes....anyone but ham.....

Sainz was driver of the day mate.

[mzivtins]

Hamilton had gaps either side when he came out. A slower outlap could have helped here. He seemed a bit pissed off, maybe the team should have intervened with a target lap time to stop him over pushing and graining the tires. Arguably another mistake from the MB pit wall there.

The inters graining were indicative of the track nature, you cannot avoid it happening due to the tread running over dry abrasive surface.

no one driver managed this better than the next, it was simply a phase all had to go through, I feel like you are splitting hairs to favour one driver over the other with absolutely zero basis in fact.

[Just_a_fan]

how on earth did leclerc get DOTD????!@!!! he did nothing special and made many mistakes..... hamilton shouldve been DOTD but naturally the max crowd probably saturated leclerc with their votes....anyone but ham.....

Sainz got DOTD. Presumably for having a good first half of the race working his way through the field from the back of the field.

[TimW]

What was the most difficult moment?
Max: staying awake.

Liberty will be thrilled about the brutal honesty of that comment

[InsaneX_Badger]

How similar is Istanbul and cota on track characteristics? Just wondering. All that I am going to mention outside this race week btw mods.

[xaero]

Hamilton had gaps either side when he came out. A slower outlap could have helped here. He seemed a bit pissed off, maybe the team should have intervened with a target lap time to stop him over pushing and graining the tires. Arguably another mistake from the MB pit wall there.

The inters graining were indicative of the track nature, you cannot avoid it happening due to the tread running over dry abrasive surface.

no one driver managed this better than the next, it was simply a phase all had to go through, I feel like you are splitting hairs to favour one driver over the other with absolutely zero basis in fact.

yes, it is just blatant attempt to put blame on driver without proper reasoning.