TD018 2023 - clampdown on flexible wings

[LM10]

You said it yourself, Max proved his point and was not cruising at any point in the race. I would expect him to pull out a bigger gap. So still not out of the woods. I already acknowledged that it is not conclusive how much the RedBull pace would be affected by this but the balance of the car can sort of be argued... And then it's gets even blurrier because RBR can simply tune out the issues lingering from the TD.. So yeah. Thread is sort of moot. Only the actual designers know whats under the skin.

I have no clue what race you watched man... From quali to the race it was never even close. Max's pace on used tires was better than most other cars on brand new.

I think it was mentioned that the 0.5s quali gap was the biggest it had been in 20 years at Suzuka. This was clear and utter dominance. No need to stress the car during the race to impress more.

In 2018 Hamilton took pole by 1.3 seconds to the next fastest non-Mercedes car.

[Cs98]

I have no clue what race you watched man... From quali to the race it was never even close. Max's pace on used tires was better than most other cars on brand new.

I think it was mentioned that the 0.5s quali gap was the biggest it had been in 20 years at Suzuka. This was clear and utter dominance. No need to stress the car during the race to impress more.

In 2018 Hamilton took pole by 1.3 seconds to the next fastest non-Mercedes car.

In changeable conditions where the Ferraris never got a proper run on dries before it started to rain. Not a relevant example.

[Cs98]

You said it yourself, Max proved his point and was not cruising at any point in the race. I would expect him to pull out a bigger gap. So still not out of the woods. I already acknowledged that it is not conclusive how much the RedBull pace would be affected by this but the balance of the car can sort of be argued... And then it's gets even blurrier because RBR can simply tune out the issues lingering from the TD.. So yeah. Thread is sort of moot. Only the actual designers know whats under the skin.

Did you get a look to see if the rudder was still on the car?

[Silent Storm]

From formula data analysis... Max was lifting through 130R in his last stint to preserve tyres.

He did this in Spa and Silverstone too.

So yeah, now we have objective data to prove Max was indeed cruising when fuel loads were low.

[Stu]

From formula data analysis... Max was lifting through 130R in his last stint to preserve tyres.

He did this in Spa and Silverstone too.

So yeah, now we have objective data to prove Max was indeed cruising when fuel loads were low.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7B_SvJXYAA ... ame=medium

This is off topic…
No team wants to win any quicker than they need to. Particularly when a budget cap is in place.
(As for this being termed “sandbagging”, this theory of racing goes back to (at least) the fifties; Sir Stirling Moss was once quoted as saying that you only need to win at the slowest speed possible”.

Sandbagging is something else entirely.

I repeat, This is off topic

[AR3-GP]

You said it yourself, Max proved his point and was not cruising at any point in the race. I would expect him to pull out a bigger gap. So still not out of the woods. I already acknowledged that it is not conclusive how much the RedBull pace would be affected by this but the balance of the car can sort of be argued... And then it's gets even blurrier because RBR can simply tune out the issues lingering from the TD.. So yeah. Thread is sort of moot. Only the actual designers know whats under the skin.

Did you get a look to see if the rudder was still on the car?

behave

[PlatinumZealot]

Fair to conclude that RedBull didn't exactly dominate as much as they should have. Thw jury is still out. What's the next "RedBull" track coming up? Losail? COTA?

[organic]

Fair to conclude that RedBull didn't exactly dominate as much as they should have.

You keep saying this and not providing any reasoning to back up your claim when people have made valid points that dispute it.. then simply restating it as if once again it's fact... It's a forum rookie error which frankly feels like trolling atp given you should know better.

McLaren made upgrades and Suzuka suits them, there's evidence in the telemetry of max sandbagging, watching an onboard will show further evidence of sandbagging, RB had the suboptimal tyre availability on Sunday (hard was better race tyre), 30s gap has only happened 3x this season so it's not the norm no matter how much you claim it to be... list goes on

Cota is bumpy so RB won't be too happy. Qatar is smooth apart from the rough curves but doesn't require a great deal of setup compromise.

[Stu]

Fair to conclude that RedBull didn't exactly dominate as much as they should have. Thw jury is still out. What's the next "RedBull" track coming up? Losail? COTA?

Quit the trolling, please…

The next Red Bull track will be the A1Ring next season, obviously.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Fair to conclude that RedBull didn't exactly dominate as much as they should have. Thw jury is still out. What's the next "RedBull" track coming up? Losail? COTA?

Quit the trolling, please…

The next Red Bull track will be the A1Ring next season, obviously.

Stop trying to paint a pitcutre (and abuse your mod-power). I'm allowed to have my opinion. It's a forum.

I already said it is inconclusive that RedBull or any other team is affected by the directive. However I do still hold my opinion that RedBull did not dominante as they could have.

But as has been proven in the past with irrefutable evidence that you’re in the wrong, you then don’t step up and admit you got it wrong.
Fair to have an opinion except you’ve brought no evidence to support the assertion. Repeating ad naseum doesn’t make it true. Please just take the feedback in the way it’s meant rather than twisting it

[TFSA]

Stop trying to paint a pitcutre (and abuse your mod-power). I'm allowed to have my opinion. It's a forum.

I already said it is inconclusive that RedBull or any other team is affected by the directive. However I do still hold my opinion that RedBull did not dominante as they could have.

Forums aren't a free for all without rules. We're not on public domain here. This is a private forum.

This board aims to be a forum with high quality discussion (or at least higher quality than the usual Twitter/Reddit/Facebook cesspool) about F1, especially the technical aspects. Now I'm not a spokesperson to Steven or any of the mods. But I'm pretty sure that just throwing your opinion out, without backing it up properly, is not a welcome sight here, especially not in topics that are aimed at technical discussions such as this one.

Opinions are worthless on their own. They need support to carry weight, typically in the form of analysis, data, historical context, logic/reasoning or research of a certain quality.

You're posting repetitive low-quality contributions. This has been pointed out by several people now, not just Stu/the Mod. So instead of making a, frankly, ridiculous complaint about "abuse of mod-power", take a step back and consider that you might want to approach this differently.