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[FNTC]

I think Horner was the main reason Newey left, so I don't see him coming here now.

[r85]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

He rode on the coattails of a genius, a genius that left Red Bull because of him.
No way Newey leaves RB only to be met with Horner appearing as his boss again.
I don't think Stroll Sr is that stupid.

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

[Quantum]

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

100%.

Red Bull slaying the aerodynamic golden goose came with consequences. Stroll will be or should be aware of that.
Besides, having Cowell work with Newey is the perfect symbiosis between aero and engine chassis integration that is coordinated from top down.
Stroll Jr and Alonso isn't a strong line up, but it might be sufficient until Max becomes available.

[Waz]

Horner is absolutely NOT the reason Newey left. In his farewell statement, Newey clearly calls Horner a friend, yet doesn't even mention Marko.

Andy Cowell is the CEO and acting as TP because Mike Krack is just not up to the job.

Horner would fit in at Aston Martin really well, and is very much the leader they need if they want championships.

Also, if Stroll Jr is sticking around, Horner knows about running a 1 car team.

[Alonsismo]

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

100%.

Red Bull slaying the aerodynamic golden goose came with consequences. Stroll will be or should be aware of that.
Besides, having Cowell work with Newey is the perfect symbiosis between aero and engine chassis integration that is coordinated from top down.
Stroll Jr and Alonso isn't a strong line up, but it might be sufficient until Max becomes available.

Alonso is the GOAT and the best driver of the grid, only verstappen can be a real menace to him.
the problem is Stroll.
Lance is a really bad driver that one cant trust.
Aston need to hire a good driver for this seat, Sainz or Russell are the best options

[wiktor977]

I think Horner was the main reason Newey left, so I don't see him coming here now.

But why? I think that's a false assumption made by the media.

[wiktor977]

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

100%.

Red Bull slaying the aerodynamic golden goose came with consequences. Stroll will be or should be aware of that.
Besides, having Cowell work with Newey is the perfect symbiosis between aero and engine chassis integration that is coordinated from top down.
Stroll Jr and Alonso isn't a strong line up, but it might be sufficient until Max becomes available.

Trust me with a fast car, it is a strong lineup, not the best, but for sure strong. People need to stop this narrative that Max can go to any team and be the same Max he is in RB. I'm not taking anything away from Max and his mega talent, but I think he would struggle in a different car than a very pointy and direct RB. He hates understeer, and most cars on the grid have more understeer than RB. Remember Daniel? He was amazing in RB, but struggled a lot in Renault and McLaren due to the different characteristics of the car compared to the RB.

[FNTC]

I think Horner was the main reason Newey left, so I don't see him coming here now.

But why? I think that's a false assumption made by the media.

It's speculation, but my feeling is there is something to it.
From Mark Hughes in April 2024:

It’s not as if Newey would be departing because of a general malaise within the team, either; this is very much a personal issue based around the Christian Horner controversy regarding the employee who served as PA to both Horner and Newey.

[Watto]

I think Horner was the main reason Newey left, so I don't see him coming here now.

But why? I think that's a false assumption made by the media.

It's speculation, but my feeling is there is something to it.
From Mark Hughes in April 2024:

It’s not as if Newey would be departing because of a general malaise within the team, either; this is very much a personal issue based around the Christian Horner controversy regarding the employee who served as PA to both Horner and Newey.

I'm still extremely skeptical. It came around a time when parts of Red Bull wanted Horner gone, this kind of thing could easily be a lean designed to undermine Horner without much truth by the Austrian side that wanted him out, if the leak came from someone connected to Newey then well I think we have an answer. I take those stories with a bit of a grain of salt - I think Huges no doubt had a source but who and their motives - I'd say the same as Newey's statement when leaving it could easily just been part of the agreement to let him out of his contract and gardening leave to say something nice about CH etc even though he was big part of the reason he was leaving.

Part of me also thinks the culture of RBR changed since the passing of Mateschitz it turned more corporate with an eye kept on costs. There was an interview with him ages back saying what he loved about the early days at RBR was is there was some expensive new bit of equipment you wanted or what ever make a business plan to Mateschitz and it got done, I'm not so sure Red Bull is like that now - yes there is a budget cap but even that aside the Red Bull parent company is keeping more tabs on this, AM/Stroll seem the closes there is to that now.


I probably doubt Horner will end at AM, but if he was to they would clearly check with Newey first,

[diffuser]

I think Horner was the main reason Newey left, so I don't see him coming here now.

But why? I think that's a false assumption made by the media.

It's speculation, but my feeling is there is something to it.
From Mark Hughes in April 2024:

It’s not as if Newey would be departing because of a general malaise within the team, either; this is very much a personal issue based around the Christian Horner controversy regarding the employee who served as PA to both Horner and Newey.

That's how I understood it. That they choose Horner over Newey back then.

[selvam_e2002]

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

100%.

Red Bull slaying the aerodynamic golden goose came with consequences. Stroll will be or should be aware of that.
Besides, having Cowell work with Newey is the perfect symbiosis between aero and engine chassis integration that is coordinated from top down.
Stroll Jr and Alonso isn't a strong line up, but it might be sufficient until Max becomes available.

Trust me with a fast car, it is a strong lineup, not the best, but for sure strong. People need to stop this narrative that Max can go to any team and be the same Max he is in RB. I'm not taking anything away from Max and his mega talent, but I think he would struggle in a different car than a very pointy and direct RB. He hates understeer, and most cars on the grid have more understeer than RB. Remember Daniel? He was amazing in RB, but struggled a lot in Renault and McLaren due to the different characteristics of the car compared to the RB.

+Vettel as well.

[Watto]

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

100%.

Red Bull slaying the aerodynamic golden goose came with consequences. Stroll will be or should be aware of that.
Besides, having Cowell work with Newey is the perfect symbiosis between aero and engine chassis integration that is coordinated from top down.
Stroll Jr and Alonso isn't a strong line up, but it might be sufficient until Max becomes available.

Trust me with a fast car, it is a strong lineup, not the best, but for sure strong. People need to stop this narrative that Max can go to any team and be the same Max he is in RB. I'm not taking anything away from Max and his mega talent, but I think he would struggle in a different car than a very pointy and direct RB. He hates understeer, and most cars on the grid have more understeer than RB. Remember Daniel? He was amazing in RB, but struggled a lot in Renault and McLaren due to the different characteristics of the car compared to the RB.

It was pointed out by someone in the Red Bull thread a few days ago the current generation RB cars haven't been pointy/on the nose for years since the current gen of ground effects cars. Prior to that sure but not since.

I think its fair to say he can't work miracles and win in a mid field team no matter what- he might outperform team mates in the current AM, but he wouldn't be winning races (or many, wouldn't stand a chance in the WDC this year)

[krich]

We need to hire Hannah Schmitz and GP from RB ASAP instead of Horner

[zoroastar]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

He rode on the coattails of a genius, a genius that left Red Bull because of him.
No way Newey leaves RB only to be met with Horner appearing as his boss again.
I don't think Stroll Sr is that stupid.

Yep, Andy Cowell and Adrian Newey have more than what it takes to get to the top. Aston should be more worried about their driver line-up because everything on the technical side is looking good for the future.

yeah the only question i have about that is whether cowell actually plans to be TP long term, or if it was done temporarily while they are restructuring personel. the one way that we will have the answer of who caused newey to leave redbull (if any one person) is if aston were to hire horner. if they did, newey would be asked first. regardless, itll probably be at least a year before he can start working at another team anyway.

[mvfad]

Stroll tested the 2026 tires today.

He didn't comment on the test, but according to Bortoleto, who also participated in the session, the 2026 tires have better grip on corner exits than the 2025 tires, improving his Sauber's traction.

https://press.pirelli.com/stroll-and-bo ... lverstone/