2012 Testing - Barcelona 2: 21-24 Feb

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f1motta wrote:
It will be soon...
Thanks for breaking that news Motta, this could be MAHOOOSIVE.
More could have been done.
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banibhusan wrote:
Mr.S wrote: Whoever will do will get screwed badly. Last year Mclaren got lucky with their exhaust but that does not happen every year. It takes a lot of time to understand each component & get the pace out of the upgrade package.

In case of Mercedes all their upgrades failed & they aborted the whole package in Australia. I doubt if there can be ANY big or Game Changing Upogrades. Maybe a few tenths here & there but nothing Major.

Besides all teams would like to complete most of their upgrades by the last test. I am sure that last 2 Practise Sessions (p2 & P3)will most be focussed on finding a proper balance & setups for both short & long runs.

Having 1 Practise Session to understand any major Upgrade can be Counter Productive.
Agreed!! The major upgrade part was only for races after the first round of fly away races when teams usually get a major upgrade to the car.

I referred to Australia to have an initial idea of who is where. I am not really sure which teams have planned upgrades for Australia or for any other fly away races.

Sorry for the confusion. Bad sentence formation may be!! #-o
Hey mate no issues. The Championship will be over before Europe. If Mclaren or say Team X have the 3rd or 4th fastest car & if Team Y have the fastest car by a while. Then Team X or Mclaren will be like 45-50 points behind. That is very hard to overcome.

Last year Mclaren had a good car from the European stint maybe even from China but RBR's initial lead was too big to overcome. They were always playing catch up. You have to take the fight to RBR from the 1st Race.

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Hail22 wrote:Highlights so far: McLaren and Red Bull are close with Ferrari struggling and Mercedes looking good. (Autosport).

Looks like Ferrari will have another lack luster year, or is this an indirect protest approaching the concorde negotiations later this year? :o
It still seems way too early to tell. James Allen is saying they're just upset they're not ahead of Red Bull - because that's what they expected.

He also says (in the comments section) that it's generally felt that the F2012 has potential, it's just a question of unlocking it. Hence why they're continually gathering data!

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Track Tempratue 26.1 Degree Celsius. So no excuse of Low Track Temperature & Cold tyres anymore.

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f1316 wrote:
Hail22 wrote:Highlights so far: McLaren and Red Bull are close with Ferrari struggling and Mercedes looking good. (Autosport).

Looks like Ferrari will have another lack luster year, or is this an indirect protest approaching the concorde negotiations later this year? :o
It still seems way too early to tell. James Allen is saying they're just upset they're not ahead of Red Bull - because that's what they expected.

He also says (in the comments section) that it's generally felt that the F2012 has potential, it's just a question of unlocking it. Hence why they're continually gathering data!
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Writing McLaren off and putting Mercedes ahead of them is plain STUPID.

There, I've said it.
More could have been done.
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Well i have written Ferrari off...
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Hail22 wrote:Well i have written Ferrari off...
I thought you said they were sandbagging and they are better with their tires this season? what did you noticed or read today?

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Writing McLaren off and putting Mercedes ahead of them is plain STUPID.

There, I've said it.
Saying Mclaren without EBD & with this car will be as quick as RB8 to begin with is equally STUPID.

I am rooting for Mercedes as you are & I am very encouraged by the long runs.

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CHT wrote:
Hail22 wrote:Well i have written Ferrari off...
I thought you said they were sandbagging and they are better with their tires this season? what did you noticed or read today?
I hope it wasn't the "Highlights so far: McLaren and Red Bull are close with Ferrari struggling and Mercedes looking good. (Autosport)" - since that was only sent by a fan! :lol:

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CHT wrote:
Hail22 wrote:Well i have written Ferrari off...
I thought you said they were sandbagging and they are better with their tires this season? what did you noticed or read today?
First of all the unwillingness from Scuderia Ferrari to update criticism via their twitter, they currently are being swamped by users.

Ferrari stopped after only 35 laps for the morning stint, Massas 10 lap times were as follow:

In 9 laps he did from beginning a 1:26.469 (13) at the end of the 9 laps he was gradually going slower finishing with a 1:37.633 (21)

Compared to other teams and if they are on similar loads Ferrari is a good 2 seconds down on their rivals and the tyres are falling away too quickly.
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Hail22 wrote:
CHT wrote:
Hail22 wrote: Compared to other teams and if they are on similar loads Ferrari is a good 2 seconds down on their rivals and the tyres are falling away too quickly.
Speaking of two seconds down on your rivals, Andrew Benson on Twitter:
"Hamilton did 66 laps, Vettel did 64; Vettel 5 pit stops, Hamilton 4. Vettel avg lap 27.352; Hamilton avg lap 29.015"

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Hail22 wrote:
CHT wrote:
Hail22 wrote:Well i have written Ferrari off...
I thought you said they were sandbagging and they are better with their tires this season? what did you noticed or read today?
First of all the unwillingness from Scuderia Ferrari to update criticism via their twitter, they currently are being swamped by users.

Ferrari stopped after only 35 laps for the morning stint, Massas 10 lap times were as follow:

In 9 laps he did from beginning a 1:26.469 (13) at the end of the 9 laps he was gradually going slower finishing with a 1:37.633 (21)

Compared to other teams and if they are on similar loads Ferrari is a good 2 seconds down on their rivals and the tyres are falling away too quickly.
1.37?? Damn...

Last test too Massa's time was all over the pace sometimes 1-20's & sometimes 1-40's.

I still think the car has potential. I think this year will the opposite of last year for Ferrari. Bad in terms of tyre degradation,no consistency,lack of reliability & no decent race pace while Good Tyre Warm up & GOOD 1 Lap Pace. Opposite of F150 Italia. Part Fry wanted a different car,guess they have got one.

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http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2011/dms1223fe07.jpg

WTF with the tyre ? Which tyres is it ? Supersoft ? rain tyre ?

BTW, Massa seems asleep :lol:

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Williams proving a point ? wassap with Maldonado? he is on a kill spree !!!
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