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[kenshi_blind]

Clearly I misinterpreted the data, thank you for pointing that out.

Still, looking at the data comparisons of max against other laps, you can see Verstappen braking significantly earlier for the turn where lewis makes up lots of time on him, and he gains it all back on the exit of the final corner. Pretty obvious that he's compromising his line for later gain. It's like missing the corner braking point and then taking the delta at the apex when you aren't going to make the corner. Of course you can be ahead at one particular moment but it's when the whole picture is there that reasonable conclusions can be drawn. Look at the final turn comparison for ver vs ham on his other lap and the same delta change is there. Max gives up time at T11/T12 and takes it back immediately

We are on the same page here..I was just pointing out that you miss something when you read the graph.i reckon Lewis's would have splitted the Ferrari seeing the deficit Merc has in S3 where they were loosing 2 tenths to Redbull

[AR3-GP]

Clearly I misinterpreted the data, thank you for pointing that out.

Still, looking at the data comparisons of max against other laps, you can see Verstappen braking significantly earlier for the turn where lewis makes up lots of time on him, and he gains it all back on the exit of the final corner. Pretty obvious that he's compromising his line for later gain. It's like missing the corner braking point and then taking the delta at the apex when you aren't going to make the corner. Of course you can be ahead at one particular moment but it's when the whole picture is there that reasonable conclusions can be drawn. Look at the final turn comparison for ver vs ham on his other lap and the same delta change is there. Max gives up time at T11/T12 and takes it back immediately

We are on the same page here..I was just pointing out that you miss something when you read the graph.i reckon Lewis's would have splitted the Ferrari seeing the deficit Merc has in S3 where they were loosing 2 tenths to Redbull

If Perez had finished his lap, he would have also split the Ferraris. Hard to know if it would make a difference.

[kenshi_blind]

Clearly I misinterpreted the data, thank you for pointing that out.

Still, looking at the data comparisons of max against other laps, you can see Verstappen braking significantly earlier for the turn where lewis makes up lots of time on him, and he gains it all back on the exit of the final corner. Pretty obvious that he's compromising his line for later gain. It's like missing the corner braking point and then taking the delta at the apex when you aren't going to make the corner. Of course you can be ahead at one particular moment but it's when the whole picture is there that reasonable conclusions can be drawn. Look at the final turn comparison for ver vs ham on his other lap and the same delta change is there. Max gives up time at T11/T12 and takes it back immediately

We are on the same page here..I was just pointing out that you miss something when you read the graph.i reckon Lewis's would have splitted the Ferrari seeing the deficit Merc has in S3 where they were loosing 2 tenths to Redbull

If Perez had finished his lap, he would have also split the Ferraris. Hard to know if it would make a difference.

Lewis was up on Perez's time as well and so was George, my point was Lewis had a chance of front row as he alluded to himself after qualy.Looking at the telemetry, the same cannot be said for Perez

[chrisc90]

Lewis was NEVER getting onto the front row.
Where he would have found .110 to even match Charles after being .134 down in the middle sector is anyones guess.

[214270]

Lewis was NEVER getting onto the front row.
Where he would have found .110 to even match Charles after being .134 down in the middle sector is anyones guess.

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

[PlatinumZealot]

Yup. He was saving tyres for the final sector. Data wont tell you that.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Yup. He was saving tyres for the final sector. Data wont tell you that.

You also can’t POSSIBLY know this

[chrisc90]

Lewis was NEVER getting onto the front row.
Where he would have found .110 to even match Charles after being .134 down in the middle sector is anyones guess.

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

The results told a different story. The most draggy car on the straight which had the slowest speed trap amazingly beating 2 different cars on a flat out piece of track. One mini purple sector doesn’t mean anything when you consider there’s another handful to go before the finish line.

[napoleon1981]

Yup. He was saving tyres for the final sector. Data wont tell you that.

Lmao, yeah and he had a whole battery to dump too in the final sector....

[214270]

Lewis was NEVER getting onto the front row.
Where he would have found .110 to even match Charles after being .134 down in the middle sector is anyones guess.

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

The results told a different story. The most draggy car on the straight which had the slowest speed trap amazingly beating 2 different cars on a flat out piece of track. One mini purple sector doesn’t mean anything when you consider there’s another handful to go before the finish line.

Top speeds between LEC & HAM are pretty similar and LEC ended up fractions off all told, being slightly behind after 12. HAM who was further forward could’ve done the job. It would’ve been a challenge but doable, VER lost time through 13.

[Cs98]

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

The results told a different story. The most draggy car on the straight which had the slowest speed trap amazingly beating 2 different cars on a flat out piece of track. One mini purple sector doesn’t mean anything when you consider there’s another handful to go before the finish line.

Top speeds between LEC & HAM are pretty similar and LEC ended up fractions off all told, being slightly behind after 12. HAM who was further forward could’ve done the job. It would’ve been a challenge but doable, VER lost time through 13.

But not speeds off the last corner. The Merc seemed terribly slow coming off the last corner in all the telemetry. Look at Lewis’ first lap compared to Max’s pole lap. He loses 3 tenths from the exit of the last corner to the finish.

They clearly put on more downforce, so keeping up in the twisty section was a given.

[napoleon1981]

Lewis was NEVER getting onto the front row.
Where he would have found .110 to even match Charles after being .134 down in the middle sector is anyones guess.

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

The results told a different story. The most draggy car on the straight which had the slowest speed trap amazingly beating 2 different cars on a flat out piece of track. One mini purple sector doesn’t mean anything when you consider there’s another handful to go before the finish line.

How accurate are mini sectors? Is that taken off a GPS signal, or do all tracks have multiple loops throughout the course? If it is the former (GPS), these mini sectors are probably not too acurate.

[chrisc90]

Well, sorry to report but HAM did just that. Whatever deficit there was at the end of sector 2, he turned into a lead by the end of T12.

2 corners of magic, 11 & 12 - purple mini sector.

The results told a different story. The most draggy car on the straight which had the slowest speed trap amazingly beating 2 different cars on a flat out piece of track. One mini purple sector doesn’t mean anything when you consider there’s another handful to go before the finish line.

How accurate are mini sectors? Is that taken off a GPS signal, or do all tracks have multiple loops throughout the course? If it is the former (GPS), these mini sectors are probably not too acurate.

Not too sure. Be interesting to know how they set the track up in that respect. I imagine it will be GPS.

[El_KaPpa]

An interesting quote from G Russell: "We understand why we were slow in Spa and why we are faster this weekend, so I think these two races have been key to our understanding of how to make a faster car across 23 races.”

[El_KaPpa]

Interesting quote from G. Russell: "We understand why we were slow in Spa and why we are faster this weekend, so I think these two races have been key to our understanding of how to make a faster car across 23 races.”