MotoGP 2015

[damager21]

I think Marquez was intentionally slowing Rossi from catching Lorenzo. To start with he late braked to let Lorenzo through and then slowed down to keep Rossi behind. Lets not forget that in all the laps leading to this crash, Marquez was very aggressive in overtaking Rossi to the point that it looked like he wanted Rossi to crash out.

Also, while it looked like Rossi kicked Marquez, that was not the case. Rossi ran wide to slow down Marquez who then leaned on Rossi and touched him first leading to Rossi's leg slipping out. In fact, in that footage it was clear that Rossi was driving very slowly along side Marquez, which shows that Marquez was indeed driving slowly to block Rossi.

I would hand Rossi a 30 secs time penalty instead of stripping him of all his points in this race.

[Shrieker]

Rossi sent to the back of the grid at Valencia. No points deducted.

What a joke !


Marquez wasn't interfering with Rossi at all. He was just unfortunate to be as slow as Rossi was and that he was the only one to fight...

[RZS10]

Rossi sent to the back of the grid at Valencia. No points deducted.

What a joke !

"political" decision with tv viewership/fans/etc in mind and not the sports' credibility

[turbof1]

Rossi sent to the back of the grid at Valencia. No points deducted.

What a joke !


Marquez wasn't interfering with Rossi at all. He was just unfortunate to be as slow as Rossi was and that he was the only one to fight...

Still a harsh and appropiate penalty. Now he'll have to fight very, very hard to get back in championship contention, if possible at all.

[bauc]

Rossi sent to the back of the grid at Valencia. No points deducted.

What a joke !

"political" decision with tv viewership/fans/etc in mind and not the sports' credibility

Is this official?

[RZS10]

Is this official?

The only penalty he got are 3 penalty points on his license, which leads to him having to start from the back of the grid of the next event with a total of 4 - this means they haven't given him any 'real' penalty 'manually' just the 'automatic' grid drop ... this is fuc*ing ridiculous

source https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/658206658221486080

[noname]

That's called racing. (...)

Rossi went too far this weekend, what we experienced on Thursday and today should not happened.

With that being said Marquez today looked like somebody having nothing to lose. I do not know if was trying to show something to Rossi, or he was just trying to do anything to win the race, probably both. Some of the moves were very risky and could end up in taking him and Rossi out of the race. That's racing, that's what we love, but he's no longer in the title hunt, this battle is between Jorge and Valentino. It would be a shame if this battle was spoiled by the crash caused by Marquez fighting Rossi (or vice versa).

It looked to me like, when Rossi run him wide, MM is leaning on him and trying to take the corner. I know it easy to say what needs to be done from the armchair, and it's completely different world when you have to make split second decision having red mist in your eyes and adrenaline flowing through your ears, but back-off, stay on the track and keep your race alive.

I remember 2011 Le Mans and lone Audi fighting against Peugeots (factory cars and 2 run by Oreca). Peugeot was using all their cars to slow Audi, and they were not limiting themselves to clean moves. But finally they gave instructions to they crews - "the fight is between leading cars, get out of their way."

[turbof1]

Is this official?

The only penalty he got are 3 penalty points on his license, which leads to him having to start from the back of the grid of the next event with a total of 4 - this means they haven't given him any 'real' penalty 'manually' just the 'automatic' grid drop ... this is fuc*ing ridiculous

source https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/658206658221486080

Except if they intended to trigger the 4-points penalty. I agree with you if it was not the intention, however if, and emphasis on if, they wanted to give him that grid drop and decided it to do with the penalty points, then I'm fine with it. It's a very hefty penalty, and Rossi's chances on the title are still very likely over.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

It's quite likely that Honda is pissed off with lack of points stripping. Honda now feel cheated and might just likely play their hand in the next GP by allowing Lorenzo to get ahead and both Honda riders guard 2nd and 3rd place. That would be championship over for Rossi, no matter where he finishes.

[Shrieker]

If Jorge can't beat at least one of the Hondas at Valenica and has to settle for 3rd, a 6th place finish for Rossi will win him the title. Which is very doable from the back of the grid.

[Juzh]

If lor is 2nd, then ros must be 3rd though. And that will be tough.

[f1316]

The move itself from Rossi seemed calculated to me. At the very least he wanted to run him wide and get him out of the way.

But I'm also convinced that Marquez was doing exactly what Rossi accused him of - deliberately letting Lorenzo past and holding up Rossi to help Lorenzo in the championship. Can you imagine the frustration you'd feel if someone did that to you? It was personal from Marquez and, frankly, extremely unsportsmanlike.

Does it excuse Rossi's move? No, and it's probably cost him the championship as I think Lorenzo is likely to win Valencia anyway, and Marquez is definitely not going to get in his way.

All a bit of a shame and if you look at the primary instigator, I think it's Marquez.

[Juzh]

All a bit of a shame and if you look at the primary instigator, I think it's Marquez.

key word there "THINK". Reality though, much different.

[cirrusflyer]

That's called racing. (...)

Rossi went too far this weekend, what we experienced on Thursday and today should not happened.

With that being said Marquez today looked like somebody having nothing to lose. I do not know if was trying to show something to Rossi, or he was just trying to do anything to win the race, probably both. Some of the moves were very risky and could end up in taking him and Rossi out of the race. That's racing, that's what we love, but he's no longer in the title hunt, this battle is between Jorge and Valentino. It would be a shame if this battle was spoiled by the crash caused by Marquez fighting Rossi (or vice versa).

I remember 2011 Le Mans and lone Audi fighting against Peugeots (factory cars and 2 run by Oreca). Peugeot was using all their cars to slow Audi, and they were not limiting themselves to clean moves. But finally they gave instructions to they crews - "the fight is between leading cars, get out of their way."

This!
For decades it is known that in the last races you move away for guys that are fighting for Championchips! It is almost unwritten rule.
MM was doing oposite. He rode like kamikaze, cutting lines, leaning into VR bike, slowing down in slower twisty bits, breaking as late as possible. Result - VR couldnt ride his tempo, he was destroying his tyers,...
Not fer by MM.
But.... Rossi shouldnt do what he did!

[hollus]

If Marquez really wanted to help Lorenzo, he'd not have passed him for the lead with 1km to go in the last race.