These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?atanatizante wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 09:38Nope! The H tyre was just the optimum tyre at those track conditions and more so setup choice only for RB20, in order to enter into the tyre optimum working range, even though this tyre was almoast 1 sec/lap slower. They based their conclusion down to the first stint on M tyre when they overheat them and VER was slowing down just to decrease the thermal deg and wearing sooner hence the need for more stops. Had he opted for the S tyre he'd face a more drastically situation than NOR, coz his car was set up for the dry conditions and the H tyre ... Why it's so hard to comprehend those logical things for you?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑11 Jul 2024, 18:03That’s the hard tyre vs the soft tyre. The hard tyre was the superior tyre to be on in the end. With Norris and Hamilton on hards in the final stint, Max would make no gains.atanatizante wrote: ↑11 Jul 2024, 14:12
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Can you see it now? It`s all about the last 10 laps of the race...
Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 19:49These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?atanatizante wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 09:38Nope! The H tyre was just the optimum tyre at those track conditions and more so setup choice only for RB20, in order to enter into the tyre optimum working range, even though this tyre was almoast 1 sec/lap slower. They based their conclusion down to the first stint on M tyre when they overheat them and VER was slowing down just to decrease the thermal deg and wearing sooner hence the need for more stops. Had he opted for the S tyre he'd face a more drastically situation than NOR, coz his car was set up for the dry conditions and the H tyre ... Why it's so hard to comprehend those logical things for you?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑11 Jul 2024, 18:03
That’s the hard tyre vs the soft tyre. The hard tyre was the superior tyre to be on in the end. With Norris and Hamilton on hards in the final stint, Max would make no gains.
Shovlin said in the debrief that the hard tyre was the best tyre to be on at that stage of the race. Not that we needed him to say it, since it was obvious that either the medium or hard were way better than the softs, given both Verstappen’s and Piastri’s pace. Hence, had Mercedes fitted them, they would be even quicker than they were at that stage on the softs.
Er, because they thought that was the right choice, but were proven wrong instantly…? How is this not clear?atanatizante wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 14:04Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 19:49These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?atanatizante wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 09:38
Nope! The H tyre was just the optimum tyre at those track conditions and more so setup choice only for RB20, in order to enter into the tyre optimum working range, even though this tyre was almoast 1 sec/lap slower. They based their conclusion down to the first stint on M tyre when they overheat them and VER was slowing down just to decrease the thermal deg and wearing sooner hence the need for more stops. Had he opted for the S tyre he'd face a more drastically situation than NOR, coz his car was set up for the dry conditions and the H tyre ... Why it's so hard to comprehend those logical things for you?
Shovlin said in the debrief that the hard tyre was the best tyre to be on at that stage of the race. Not that we needed him to say it, since it was obvious that either the medium or hard were way better than the softs, given both Verstappen’s and Piastri’s pace. Hence, had Mercedes fitted them, they would be even quicker than they were at that stage on the softs.
Shov said the hard tire was the right one to be on, they fitted the soft because they thought it would give Lewis a quick warm up on his outlap to take the lead but they didnt expect the hard to be "so good"atanatizante wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 14:04Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 19:49These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?atanatizante wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 09:38
Nope! The H tyre was just the optimum tyre at those track conditions and more so setup choice only for RB20, in order to enter into the tyre optimum working range, even though this tyre was almoast 1 sec/lap slower. They based their conclusion down to the first stint on M tyre when they overheat them and VER was slowing down just to decrease the thermal deg and wearing sooner hence the need for more stops. Had he opted for the S tyre he'd face a more drastically situation than NOR, coz his car was set up for the dry conditions and the H tyre ... Why it's so hard to comprehend those logical things for you?
Shovlin said in the debrief that the hard tyre was the best tyre to be on at that stage of the race. Not that we needed him to say it, since it was obvious that either the medium or hard were way better than the softs, given both Verstappen’s and Piastri’s pace. Hence, had Mercedes fitted them, they would be even quicker than they were at that stage on the softs.
Ironically, picking the soft is what forced Mclaren to make a mistake on tyre choice. If they went hard I'm certain Norris would have gone medium.Luscion wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 15:32Shov said the hard tire was the right one to be on, they fitted the soft because they thought it would give Lewis a quick warm up on his outlap to take the lead but they didnt expect the hard to be "so good"atanatizante wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 14:04Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 19:49
These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?
Shovlin said in the debrief that the hard tyre was the best tyre to be on at that stage of the race. Not that we needed him to say it, since it was obvious that either the medium or hard were way better than the softs, given both Verstappen’s and Piastri’s pace. Hence, had Mercedes fitted them, they would be even quicker than they were at that stage on the softs.
I'm surprised either of them went for it tbh considering how bad the deg was during the long runs in free practiceSiLo wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 15:38Ironically, picking the soft is what forced Mclaren to make a mistake on tyre choice. If they went hard I'm certain Norris would have gone medium.Luscion wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 15:32Shov said the hard tire was the right one to be on, they fitted the soft because they thought it would give Lewis a quick warm up on his outlap to take the lead but they didnt expect the hard to be "so good"atanatizante wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 14:04
Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?
What he was implying but missed out on telling us, coz it`s obvious from the race strategy point of view was that the soft tyre has the biggest grip and it`s the best tyre when you need to undercut someone, which was HAM`s case who need to build a big gap to NOR to make that the undercut work. In the end, he was just lucky with NOR`s bad pitstop but I argue even if HAM was landing second after NOR`s pitstop on softs that he could pass him due to a better car setup for the dry conditions and already taken a full lap warmup ...Luscion wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 15:32Shov said the hard tire was the right one to be on, they fitted the soft because they thought it would give Lewis a quick warm up on his outlap to take the lead but they didnt expect the hard to be "so good"atanatizante wrote: ↑15 Jul 2024, 14:04Then could you explain why they fit softs to HAM`s car or you missed that part of Shovlin`s debrief?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Jul 2024, 19:49
These setup conclusions about the Red Bull, are they backed up be any statement by the team or driver or are they your own?
Shovlin said in the debrief that the hard tyre was the best tyre to be on at that stage of the race. Not that we needed him to say it, since it was obvious that either the medium or hard were way better than the softs, given both Verstappen’s and Piastri’s pace. Hence, had Mercedes fitted them, they would be even quicker than they were at that stage on the softs.
I see no reason why not. The car is top 2 on the grid in medium and slow speed corners, and quite good at high recentlyAR3-GP wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 17:39Toto Wolff has downplayed expectations in Hungary which means they are going to lock out the front row and win at a canter according to my Toto decoder
Mercedes has taken pole at the Hungaroring in both 2022 and 2023. This year they may have the race pace to back it up. Upgrades are expected this weekend as well.
Because it's going to be over 30C and they've only been competitive when track temps have been very low so far this year, is one argument you could make against itK1Plus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 18:58I see no reason why not. The car is top 2 on the grid in medium and slow speed corners, and quite good at high recentlyAR3-GP wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 17:39Toto Wolff has downplayed expectations in Hungary which means they are going to lock out the front row and win at a canter according to my Toto decoder
Mercedes has taken pole at the Hungaroring in both 2022 and 2023. This year they may have the race pace to back it up. Upgrades are expected this weekend as well.