Mercedes W13

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.poz wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 13:36
ringo wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 16:23
What's also interesting is that Ferrari are mixing their hot radiator exhaust air into that stream to the beam wing. Adding energy to the flow. Alpine is trying to this to some extent.
This "adding energy to the flow" is a false myth.

Hot air is just hot, less dense ad so you don't want it on any wing.

blown exhaust was based on the high speed of the exhaust, not the temperature.
Quite right. Ferrari are just marshalling the radiator air away in the least disruptive way possible.

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Can't see anything new at first glance. Fewer louvers than at Britain, same rear wing

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organic wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 17:42


Can't see anything new at first glance. Fewer louvers than at Britain, same rear wing
We wont get confirmation of suspension upgrades right? They do not have to declare them? A few posts back, some report mentioned the possibility of this.

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zubster wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 18:05
organic wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 17:42


Can't see anything new at first glance. Fewer louvers than at Britain, same rear wing
We wont get confirmation of suspension upgrades right? They do not have to declare them? A few posts back, some report mentioned the possibility of this.

It's Thursday. Let’s just wait for tomorrow and see how it goes.

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they did mention last weekend that the upgrades for this race is not visible to the naked eye.

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Mercedes W13 floor detail in Austrian
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What is significant about metal parts?

Just looks like mounting points, no?

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I think so just mounting points.
On the other side from this picture I'm impressed how much space is not used for ground effect bacause of the extreme coca-cola shape and the effort to keep inside equipment low to obtain the extreme sidepod design. I figure out in future the priority will be the under floor design , moving and slightly rising internal equipment to make space for venturi design inside regulation limit.

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Don't forget the past 80s wingcar.
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.poz wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 13:36
ringo wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 16:23
What's also interesting is that Ferrari are mixing their hot radiator exhaust air into that stream to the beam wing. Adding energy to the flow. Alpine is trying to this to some extent.
This "adding energy to the flow" is a false myth.

Hot air is just hot, less dense ad so you don't want it on any wing.

blown exhaust was based on the high speed of the exhaust, not the temperature.
Is it?
Do you know what is happening when hot air is mixed?
I always advise not to use certain rules of thumb or hearsay without seeing specific application.
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Mercedes floor from Russel's crash last week

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ringo wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 06:57
Remember there are rules now that allow gills in certain areas.
This was not the case all the time.
The gills effectively reduce the volume of the sidepods
They don't, they are merely an alternative for a huge air exit at the rear.
but you can also do something with the hot air under certain circumstances.
No, this mildly warm air has no value and is completely undesirable.
But i just feel its a lot of energy in that air and a lot of temperature difference with the free stream. It could be used for something.
It has no energy as this usable energy has been spent collecting heat from the radiators. If this air had any energy it would solely mean that you aren't cooling your engine as effectively as you could have.
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What happens when hot air rapidly cools? Does it nor create a reduction in volume?
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 19:48
What is significant about metal parts?

Just looks like mounting points, no?
Internal stays to stiffen the floor, You can see where the carbon on the surface of the floor has been cut away and stay added in and then re-laminated over the top

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Big Tea wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 22:24
What happens when hot air rapidly cools? Does it nor create a reduction in volume?
I can’t think of a single scenario where radiator air is beneficial, and it’s often seen as a hindrance. It’s just something to exhaust and you put it where it does the least harm. It’s always going to be flowing slower than the air on the body of the car, of course you use this pressure gradient to make the flow through the radiator more efficient, but if aerodynamicists could get rid of it, they would love to.

Radiator air doesn’t rapidly cool, it’s not compressed.
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Goblin42 wrote:
07 Jul 2022, 22:05
Mercedes floor from Russel's crash last week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXFtkHcWIAA ... &name=orig
Nice find, thanks !

We can see they have moved the design more towards a RB floor albeit without the sophistication and intricacies.
One day AI might be able to fix the W13 zero pod concept !