2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[scuderiabrandon]

I never stop believing in Carlos, I'm so happy for him.
Like one of the McLaren engineer said it's like racing with an extra engineer in the team.

In front of my TV I thought "Sainz should give DRS to Norris to create a DRS train" and he did it brillantly, it was reminiscent of Hamilton parking the bus at Abu Dhabi 2016 to save his WDC.
Really mature drive !

Regarding Charles, I think it was not his weekend ofc (luck in the pit, teamplay, 0.140 in qualy). I think Ferrari could've tried the Merc strategy (with scrubbed soft in that case) because they had nothing to lose and Perez had create such a gap against the rest of the field that it was a free stop for him like for the Merc.

I just hope the team can find the most neutral car philosophy for both driver. Sainz likes a lazy front-end, Leclerc is said to "don't have any driving style" but in reality he's close to Verstappen in terms of preference. I think the SF-21 was the sweetspot. Carlos described it in "Beyond the grid" saying this car was very neutral (while the McLaren in which he excelled had a very understeery nature, and the Renault on the opposite was very oversteeery/strong front end).

It was 0.079 in qualy.

A neutral balance won't cut it. You can't biuld car to exploit the best from your driver by trying to cater for both. Tyres in the current generation just don't allow understeer to be fast consistently on various track layouts. As I also mentioned, tuning out oversteer is easier than trying to add it.

There is reason for big pace deltas when the car suit the driver with the oversteer preference. It is not just true for Ferrari but for all the teams across the grid.

Verstappen smashes Perez
Leclerc smashes Sainz with the car to his liking.
Russell who is used to a weaker rear end from driving a Williams, smashed Hamilton last year.

F1-75 up until TD039 had a strong front end and competitive tyre wear. Once we got punished, the pace went away, the tyres went away and the gap between LEC and SAI came down ever so slightly. Do I need to go on. These aren't just coincidental.

The floors on these cars play a massive role in tuning the balance of these cars. The flexi planks could've likely moved the Cpt forward which is why the F1-75 had such a good fornt end until it got banned.


The prove is in the pudding. These Pirellis don't like scrubbing and sliding.

No it was 0.140 I belive because Russell himself was 0.70 from the pole (0.70 + 0.70 = 0.140)

I understand your analysis but I believe Hamilton example is wrong, and some drivers like Hamilton and Alonso aren't oversteery/particularly strong front end oriented but are the fastest amongst their pairs.
So I just think you are right (you cannot be fast without taking risks, that why full understeer only works in endurance racing or for midfield cars) but a more neutral car or lets say not on "100% sensitivity" (to quote Albon), might be a good way.

It shows gap to leader not interval in qualifying

but here you go anyways




Oversteeer refers to having the balance moved forwards. Hamilton has talked aout not having any feel in the rear end where George has not mentioned having trouble with it once. That can back track to driving a backmarker car. I think it makes enough sense to be okay to say it.

[Xyz22]

Also Lewis pace with the mediums was crazy... Thank god he --- up quali

[Space-heat]

I never stop believing in Carlos, I'm so happy for him.
Like one of the McLaren engineer said it's like racing with an extra engineer in the team.

In front of my TV I thought "Sainz should give DRS to Norris to create a DRS train" and he did it brillantly, it was reminiscent of Hamilton parking the bus at Abu Dhabi 2016 to save his WDC.
Really mature drive !

Regarding Charles, I think it was not his weekend ofc (luck in the pit, teamplay, 0.140 in qualy). I think Ferrari could've tried the Merc strategy (with scrubbed soft in that case) because they had nothing to lose and Perez had create such a gap against the rest of the field that it was a free stop for him like for the Merc.

I just hope the team can find the most neutral car philosophy for both driver. Sainz likes a lazy front-end, Leclerc is said to "don't have any driving style" but in reality he's close to Verstappen in terms of preference. I think the SF-21 was the sweetspot. Carlos described it in "Beyond the grid" saying this car was very neutral (while the McLaren in which he excelled had a very understeery nature, and the Renault on the opposite was very oversteeery/strong front end).

It was 0.079 in qualy.

A neutral balance won't cut it. You can't biuld car to exploit the best from your driver by trying to cater for both. Tyres in the current generation just don't allow understeer to be fast consistently on various track layouts. As I also mentioned, tuning out oversteer is easier than trying to add it.

There is reason for big pace deltas when the car suit the driver with the oversteer preference. It is not just true for Ferrari but for all the teams across the grid.

Verstappen smashes Perez
Leclerc smashes Sainz with the car to his liking.
Russell who is used to a weaker rear end from driving a Williams, smashed Hamilton last year.

F1-75 up until TD039 had a strong front end and competitive tyre wear. Once we got punished, the pace went away, the tyres went away and the gap between LEC and SAI came down ever so slightly. Do I need to go on. These aren't just coincidental.

The floors on these cars play a massive role in tuning the balance of these cars. The flexi planks could've likely moved the Cpt forward which is why the F1-75 had such a good fornt end until it got banned.


The prove is in the pudding. These Pirellis don't like scrubbing and sliding.

No it was 0.140 I belive because Russell himself was 0.70 from the pole (0.70 + 0.70 = 0.140)

I understand your analysis but I believe Hamilton example is wrong, and some drivers like Hamilton and Alonso aren't oversteery/particularly strong front end oriented but are the fastest amongst their pairs.
So I just think you are right (you cannot be fast without taking risks, that why full understeer only works in endurance racing or for midfield cars) but a more neutral car or lets say not on "100% sensitivity" (to quote Albon), might be a good way.

It was 0.079 in quali

[Spoutnik]

It was 0.079 in qualy.

A neutral balance won't cut it. You can't biuld car to exploit the best from your driver by trying to cater for both. Tyres in the current generation just don't allow understeer to be fast consistently on various track layouts. As I also mentioned, tuning out oversteer is easier than trying to add it.

There is reason for big pace deltas when the car suit the driver with the oversteer preference. It is not just true for Ferrari but for all the teams across the grid.

Verstappen smashes Perez
Leclerc smashes Sainz with the car to his liking.
Russell who is used to a weaker rear end from driving a Williams, smashed Hamilton last year.

F1-75 up until TD039 had a strong front end and competitive tyre wear. Once we got punished, the pace went away, the tyres went away and the gap between LEC and SAI came down ever so slightly. Do I need to go on. These aren't just coincidental.

The floors on these cars play a massive role in tuning the balance of these cars. The flexi planks could've likely moved the Cpt forward which is why the F1-75 had such a good fornt end until it got banned.


The prove is in the pudding. These Pirellis don't like scrubbing and sliding.

No it was 0.140 I belive because Russell himself was 0.70 from the pole (0.70 + 0.70 = 0.140)

I understand your analysis but I believe Hamilton example is wrong, and some drivers like Hamilton and Alonso aren't oversteery/particularly strong front end oriented but are the fastest amongst their pairs.
So I just think you are right (you cannot be fast without taking risks, that why full understeer only works in endurance racing or for midfield cars) but a more neutral car or lets say not on "100% sensitivity" (to quote Albon), might be a good way.

It shows gap to leader not interval in qualifying

but here you go anyways

https://ibb.co/KzXqB8q


Oversteeer refers to having the balance moved forwards. Hamilton has talked aout not having any feel in the rear end where George has not mentioned having trouble with it once. That can back track to driving a backmarker car. I think it makes enough sense to be okay to say it.

Oh ok I saw a tweet saying Charles was as far from Russell than Russell was to Sainz, but I misinterpreted it !

I get it, but Lewis was faster at every racetrack since Montreal in 2022 (if we exclude Brazil !) so I just think Lewis likings are much more subtle than the obviously huge difference between the likes of Charles/Max vs Sainz or even Perez. I must say while we are having this discussion I realized I don't have a clue about Lando's driving style/what he prefers, and Russell too.

[codetower]

Great win for the Team. The car is definitely looking better, looking forward to the next few races, and also 2024.

Carlos has always been a very good driver, he showed it at Mclaren alongside Norris as well. But in my opinion, Charles is the more team player thank Carlos. And anyone to say Charles is not intelligent, or lacks strategic awareness has not been watching him race. He knows what the right call is, but he prefers to leave it to the team. He knows how to manage a race. After that poor first stop he just killed his tyres trying to make up for the lost positions. It's also much more difficult to preserve fighting in the middle as opposed to being in clean air up front. And he knew pitting for mediums was the right call for HIS race under the SC, but maybe not for the team. It was the right thing to do what the team wants. They told him to stay out...

But aside from that, it feels great seeing Ferrari up on the top of the podium again. 7 more races left. Lets go!

[Xyz22]

Rewatching telemetry for Suzuka with the SF 90. As i correctly remembered the SF 90 was really good in high speed corners, in fact it was keeping up with the MB n the first sector. The issue of that car were the slow and medium speed corners (especially long radius ones). As a matter of fact Bottas almost 10kph quicker in the spoon curve and also way faster in the last chicane, but the SF 90 was gaining 0.2s each straight lmao

[F1NAC]

Just noticed now that LEC started on used set of softs, which is even more impressive how long it lasted. Which begs to question.. why not pit Charles for new meds? That was a mistake for sure.

[dialtone]

Just noticed now that LEC started on used set of softs, which is even more impressive how long it lasted. Which begs to question.. why not pit Charles for new meds? That was a mistake for sure.

He was 5th. Pitting him for medium was going to leave him 5th. What was the difference?

[scuderiabrandon]

Just noticed now that LEC started on used set of softs, which is even more impressive how long it lasted. Which begs to question.. why not pit Charles for new meds? That was a mistake for sure.

He was 5th. Pitting him for medium was going to leave him 5th. What was the difference?

They were also driving around 2 seconds off race pace. That was also the case for Sainz on the hard. When leclerc got screwed over by the SC pitstop he pushed to catch up to the pack. His deg at the end was much worse because of it.

[FDD]

I go back to something I said yesterday in this thread.

The chronic understeer is costing us more than it has proven beneficial.

Dialling back oversteer is easier than dialling in oversteer. ARB settings, Brake Bias settings and backing off FW angles can dial out oversteer without making big compromises to the overall performance. Trying to improve mid corner rotation usally requires higher rake angles, which costs floor performance, increase in flap angles, which slightly increase drag and extremely limited in how much they can do here. Understeer tends to be less kind on the front tyres aswell

Sainz comlaining about the front tyres being gone at a rear limited circuit tells you what you need to know.

End of story.

[mzso]

IMO the Ferrar pitstop for Leclerc was another blunder. They could have let him go way before Hamilton crawled in the way. But the team was handicapping the whole race probably didn't matter much.

[organic]

What a weekend from sainz hats off he's done it again. When the car behaves like this he can perform consistently and at a top level. He is the current Jenson button, minus the wet race genius

[CaribouBread]

Fantastic weekend for Sainz. Kept it under control like last race. Perhaps something different could've been done with Leclerc to maximize his position but I'm no strategist. The result is worth a small celebration this season.

[Sevach]

This is the best weekend of Sainz career, his previous win was kinda fortuitous with SC and strategy benefitting him.
This weekend he was fast, he was precise, he played chess at the most tense moment, absolutely brilliant.

One thing worthy of note is that it has been something of a trend that when the car is to Sainz liking it's not fast, to make the car "Sainz like" you had to sacrifice ultimate pace, not this weekend Sainz was on top in almost every session.

[Spoutnik]

This is the best weekend of Sainz career, his previous win was kinda fortuitous with SC and strategy benefitting him.
This weekend he was fast, he was precise, he played chess at the most tense moment, absolutely brilliant.

One thing worthy of note is that it has been something of a trend that when the car is to Sainz liking it's not fast, to make the car "Sainz like" you had to sacrifice ultimate pace, not this weekend Sainz was on top in almost every session.

I think Monza 2020 was the same for him, but he wasn't in real top car but he was 3rd all weekend, and 2nd in the race before all the SC mess.

Charles finished very far off him I don't understand why