2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
RS200E
-4
Joined: 27 Feb 2017, 13:13

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Andres125sx wrote:
04 Jul 2017, 18:54
First, Hasegawa didn´t say the update was worth 2-3 tenths, he said it´s worth more than 2-3 tenths wich in my eyes is purposely innacurate to keep their politics about not showing too much optimism to the media.

Add to that what he said about the mapping being improved in Sakura, and I think we can see a noticeable jump forward in Austria. Sadly that does not mean they will fight for podiums as they´re too far back right now, but as we say in Spain, before running you must learn to walk.

If they can make a noticeable step forward that will be enough to jump many midfielders, as the fight behind the top three teams is fierce with several cars and teams in few tenths or even the same, so any tenth improvement will make a difference

I really think (or hope, not sure :P ) this update should make McHonda a regular Q3 team
Hope, yes, because reliability and fuel saving will probably be an issue.
The power of Red Bull Powertrains!

User avatar
bigblue
24
Joined: 01 Oct 2014, 12:18

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Note of caution : engine updates + chassis updates = ~0.5s at best (according to remarks from Mr. Hasegawa and the fact some small-ish chassis updates should appear). There is a lot of talk about reliability being fixed, there is no concrete evidence as yet - last race was good, but that was one race, with many new components. So, hope for some improvement, but night-and-day, massive upswing - not so sure. Would love it, but there's much to do still.

Wazari mentioned stress in multiple directions on MGU-H and casing, not sure what has been changed to improve this - almost certainly not a new block as that is a massive change, and has not been reported. So, maybe some strageic strengthening, material improvements. Who knows. And who knows if it's enough to fix the problem, or just improve it.

In short - don't get carried away, but do hope for a reasonably better performance.

User avatar
diffuser
236
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

The Turbo/MGU-H is all 1 unit. I presume that means it's stress can be resolved independently.

User avatar
bigblue
24
Joined: 01 Oct 2014, 12:18

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

"MGU-H bearing failure is a result of unforeseen multi-directional stress on the shaft and entire casing that houses the bearings." Hmm, maybe.

GhostF1
GhostF1
110
Joined: 30 Aug 2016, 04:11

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

RS200E wrote:
04 Jul 2017, 22:36
Andres125sx wrote:
04 Jul 2017, 18:54
First, Hasegawa didn´t say the update was worth 2-3 tenths, he said it´s worth more than 2-3 tenths wich in my eyes is purposely innacurate to keep their politics about not showing too much optimism to the media.

Add to that what he said about the mapping being improved in Sakura, and I think we can see a noticeable jump forward in Austria. Sadly that does not mean they will fight for podiums as they´re too far back right now, but as we say in Spain, before running you must learn to walk.

If they can make a noticeable step forward that will be enough to jump many midfielders, as the fight behind the top three teams is fierce with several cars and teams in few tenths or even the same, so any tenth improvement will make a difference

I really think (or hope, not sure :P ) this update should make McHonda a regular Q3 team
Hope, yes, because reliability and fuel saving will probably be an issue.
Well assuming the new MGU-H/Turbo design they've brought has fixed those issues, we shouldn't see any reliability issues. That has been the major culprit since season start.

User avatar
Vasconia
6
Joined: 30 Aug 2012, 10:45
Location: Basque Country

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Andres125sx wrote:
04 Jul 2017, 18:54
First, Hasegawa didn´t say the update was worth 2-3 tenths, he said it´s worth more than 2-3 tenths wich in my eyes is purposely innacurate to keep their politics about not showing too much optimism to the media.

Add to that what he said about the mapping being improved in Sakura, and I think we can see a noticeable jump forward in Austria. Sadly that does not mean they will fight for podiums as they´re too far back right now, but as we say in Spain, before running you must learn to walk.

If they can make a noticeable step forward that will be enough to jump many midfielders, as the fight behind the top three teams is fierce with several cars and teams in few tenths or even the same, so any tenth improvement will make a difference

I really think (or hope, not sure :P ) this update should make McHonda a regular Q3 team
Not in all the tracks but in the hands of Alonso it should be in many of them.

User avatar
RS200E
-4
Joined: 27 Feb 2017, 13:13

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Loving all the positivity here these upgrades are bringing :)
The power of Red Bull Powertrains!

McL-H
McL-H
-6
Joined: 17 May 2016, 16:18

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

GoranF1 wrote:
04 Jul 2017, 10:42
PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory
Points finish for Vandoorne gives odds of 7/1. I think that is worth a bet. New engine looks good, and he has been quite unlucky.. If car is good, he has no grid penalties, then he can finish in the points for sure.

alexa
alexa
1
Joined: 08 Jan 2017, 19:41

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Looks like Alonso is leaving Mclaren.

https://www.racer.com/f1/item/142034-al ... in-mclaren

Anthropolyte
Anthropolyte
0
Joined: 27 Feb 2017, 12:10

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

alexa wrote:
06 Jul 2017, 10:11
Looks like Alonso is leaving Mclaren.

https://www.racer.com/f1/item/142034-al ... in-mclaren
Not quite sure how you read that as "Alonso is leaving McLaren". He's merely stating the same doubts he's had throughout the season.

alexa
alexa
1
Joined: 08 Jan 2017, 19:41

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Here's more if you like.I don't see how Mclaren is going to persuade Alonso to stay.Honda is no where near to catch front runners.I think even Renault is better place for him then MC.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Motorsport/bri ... s-20170703

User avatar
Vasconia
6
Joined: 30 Aug 2012, 10:45
Location: Basque Country

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

Anthropolyte wrote:
06 Jul 2017, 10:34
alexa wrote:
06 Jul 2017, 10:11
Looks like Alonso is leaving Mclaren.

https://www.racer.com/f1/item/142034-al ... in-mclaren
Not quite sure how you read that as "Alonso is leaving McLaren". He's merely stating the same doubts he's had throughout the season.
Exactly, nothing new here. The biggest and most important mention by Alonso was to say that he will decide in september his future and that he wants McLaren to be clearly more competitive(to win races was more a way to put pressure than something realistic) before he decides what to do. So the first conclusion is that he will leave McLaren because this won´t happen unless the new specification brings something spectacular, and Alonso has already said it won´t.

User avatar
JonoNic
4
Joined: 05 Mar 2015, 15:54

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

alexa wrote:Here's more if you like.I don't see how Mclaren is going to persuade Alonso to stay.Honda is no where near to catch front runners.I think even Renault is better place for him then MC.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Motorsport/bri ... s-20170703
Alexa. You are using a South African site to make your point. I hope you do realise that they buy their articles. Most original news about F1 comes from normally some British source.
Always find the gap then use it.

alexa
alexa
1
Joined: 08 Jan 2017, 19:41

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

I hope this is more credible,anyway I don't see why you guys are so suspicious about Alonso leaving MC.It shouldn't be such a big surprise after all.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 96247.html

User avatar
Vasconia
6
Joined: 30 Aug 2012, 10:45
Location: Basque Country

Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post

alexa wrote:
06 Jul 2017, 12:28
I hope this is more credible,anyway I don't see why you guys are so suspicious about Alonso leaving MC.It shouldn't be such a big surprise after all.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 96247.html
No suspicious, only that the rumor is old and that website didn´t give us something new. For me its pretty clear that he will leave McLaren because such a big improvement by september is almost imposible.