2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Valeo]

I still havent heard what happened at lap 40?

L39: 1.24:6
L40: 1.26:6 !
L41: 1:27:1 !
L42: 1.25:5
L43: 1.25:0

Only came back in the 24's for two laps for the remaining race after the huge drop.
That can't have been wear?

[AR3-GP]

I still havent heard what happened at lap 40?

L39: 1.24:6
L40: 1.26:6 !
L41: 1:27:1 !
L42: 1.25:5
L43: 1.25:0

Only came back in the 24's for two laps for the remaining race after the huge drop.
That can't have been wear?

It's probably the lap that he went over the broken tarmac in T1. He didn't go off track like Antonelli did, but he did have to slow down a lot.

[AR3-GP]

The race was setup by the decisive repasses on Colapinto and Piastri around the outside in the Roggia chicane (after he once again suffered 2 dreadful grid launches and had no top speed on the run to T2). That allowed him to stay in the coattails of Russell's tow in the first stint. Those moves were decisive ones just like the 2024 Spanish GP when he passed Russell on lap 2 and that won him the race vs Norris. Verstappen has been performing a delicate high-wire act for several weekends now. He is an illusionist.

An illusionist is a performer who makes it seem that strange or impossible things are happening, for example, that a person has disappeared or been cut in half.

Making a car appear where it doesn't belong. He rode the slipstream to the lead of the race in a car that shouldn't lead any race. They were saying that Verstappen was fighting for the win when Antonelli cruised up to the back of him from P19 in less than 20 laps. but that's what it means to create illusions.

The McLarens were also faster in Monza. They just made a meal of qualifying (Norris was P9) and then made a mess of the race with the yo-yo racing with Hamilton and everyone else. Antonelli blasted past the Mclarens on their 40 lap old tires and never looked back. Verstappen with 20 laps fresher tires couldn't shake them until they started getting in each other's way. If Verstappen was driving Piastri's Mclaren, he would have also led the race and finished 3rd using the same tactics.

Alan Permane said that Lawson wants to go back to VCARB as soon as possible. Lawson said that even though Mekies was his cheerleader at VCARB and he had Mekies behind him at RBR, not Horner. No one wants to drive this RB22.

[Emag]

In the latest Autoracer articles, the Ferrari engineers still provide a power deficit figure relative to the Mercedes ICE.

Do not believe the FIA's fabrication. Red Bull do not have the best ICE.

I don't see why other teams would go on with it if it wasn't performed completely in-line with what was agreed beforehand for these regulations. Even if you assume all teams HATE RedBull, which they have no reason to, why on earth wouldn't they protest a result that gives Mercedes the opportunity to extend this gap next year?

RedBull has the best ICE. That was the conclusion of the test that was carried out with the methodology that all the teams agreed on. If the result doesn't mirror reality, then the teams shouldn't have been so naive to agree on, apparently, such an easily spoofable test/methodology. But this was a discussion for before the final regulation was approved. You can't say yes to something, and then a year later be like "ah but no, I only agreed to this because I didn't think the results would be this way".

[AR3-GP]

In the latest Autoracer articles, the Ferrari engineers still provide a power deficit figure relative to the Mercedes ICE.

Do not believe the FIA's fabrication. Red Bull do not have the best ICE.

I don't see why other teams would go on with it if it wasn't performed completely in-line with what was agreed beforehand for these regulations. Even if you assume all teams HATE RedBull, which they have no reason to, why on earth wouldn't they protest a result that gives Mercedes the opportunity to extend this gap next year?

RedBull has the best ICE. That was the conclusion of the test that was carried out with the methodology that all the teams agreed on. If the result doesn't mirror reality, then the teams shouldn't have been so naive to agree on, apparently, such an easily spoofable test/methodology. But this was a discussion for before the final regulation was approved. You can't say yes to something, and then a year later be like "ah but no, I only agreed to this because I didn't think the results would be this way".

If the ADUO was revised appropriately, Audi and Ferrari would lose concessions. They all have 1 more upgrade than Mercedes now. There's no benefit for them. Also, it's not a sporting matter. There is no mechanism for "protest". The teams don't actually have any insight to the methodology. Otherwise, the teams would have a head start in how to game it to their benefit. They just know what it does not consist of (turbine diameter, exhaust blockage, hybrid, etc) That point was made clear as Red Bull tried to get to the bottom of this kangaroo result.

[Emag]

In the latest Autoracer articles, the Ferrari engineers still provide a power deficit figure relative to the Mercedes ICE.

Do not believe the FIA's fabrication. Red Bull do not have the best ICE.

I don't see why other teams would go on with it if it wasn't performed completely in-line with what was agreed beforehand for these regulations. Even if you assume all teams HATE RedBull, which they have no reason to, why on earth wouldn't they protest a result that gives Mercedes the opportunity to extend this gap next year?

RedBull has the best ICE. That was the conclusion of the test that was carried out with the methodology that all the teams agreed on. If the result doesn't mirror reality, then the teams shouldn't have been so naive to agree on, apparently, such an easily spoofable test/methodology. But this was a discussion for before the final regulation was approved. You can't say yes to something, and then a year later be like "ah but no, I only agreed to this because I didn't think the results would be this way".

If the ADUO was revised appropriately, Audi and Ferrari would lose concessions. They all have 1 more upgrade than Mercedes now. There's no benefit for them. Also, it's not a sporting matter. There is no mechanism for "protest".

Mercedes would be losing an upgrade too. It's a net positive for them because it leaves Mercedes "a spec" behind, while they could have been more careful on what to change about their PU that could have been carried out next year. There is plenty to gain for them. Not to mention that we are talking possibly about a switch between RedBull and Mercedes. Ferrari is probably still 3rd and Audi are probably still 4th. In any case, a moving target is much harder to catch than a benchmark you know well and have measured throughout the season.

It's understandable to not be content with the results. But I don't get the claims for foul play. They all agreed to this. It's done now, and you cannot undo it.

[AR3-GP]

Mercedes would be losing an upgrade too. It's a net positive for them because it leaves Mercedes "a spec" behind, while they could have been more careful on what to change about their PU that could have been carried out next year. There is plenty to gain for them. A moving target is much harder to catch than a benchmark you know well and have measured throughout the season.

It's understandable to not be content with the results. But I don't get the claims for foul play. They all agreed to this. It's done now, and you cannot undo it.

The claim isn't "foul play". The claim is incompetence. Listen to what the reporters say from their insiders at Audi, Honda, and Ferrari. They all reference deficits to the Mercedes ICE internally. That speaks volumes. I don't need to add anything.

[Emag]

Mercedes would be losing an upgrade too. It's a net positive for them because it leaves Mercedes "a spec" behind, while they could have been more careful on what to change about their PU that could have been carried out next year. There is plenty to gain for them. A moving target is much harder to catch than a benchmark you know well and have measured throughout the season.

It's understandable to not be content with the results. But I don't get the claims for foul play. They all agreed to this. It's done now, and you cannot undo it.

The claim isn't "foul play". The claim is incompetence. Listen to what the reporters say from their insiders at Audi, Honda, and Ferrari. They all reference deficits to the Mercedes ICE internally. That speaks volumes. I don't need to add anything.

What they say now hardly matters. Complaining after the regulations were agreed and finalized is immature and child-like. As I said, the time to challenge the mechanism was during the negotiations. Any incompetence here lies as much with the teams that accepted it as with the FIA.

Red Bull and the others probably have little ground to oppose the decision now anyway. There had already been plenty of speculation that Mercedes would start the new era with a very strong power unit. We had rumours about possible loopholes a year in advance. Meanwhile, the ADUO mechanism was finalized relatively late.

Honestly, I believe that the other manufacturers feared Mercedes would begin with a major advantage, so they agreed on a restrictive system so that they could keep them locked in this season. If that really happened, no wonder Toto has this constant smug-face on him. Mercedes played them all like a fiddle.

[Waz]

I will never understand why it was not a bench test. Each manufacturer provides at least 2 engines and a relevant number of technicians to run it at a test center designated by the FIA.

If ICE output was the only requirement, that should be the only test.

[AR3-GP]

What they say now hardly matters. Complaining after the regulations were agreed and finalized is immature and child-like. As I said, the time to challenge the mechanism was during the negotiations. Any incompetence here lies as much with the teams that accepted it as with the FIA.

Red Bull and the others probably have little ground to oppose the decision now anyway. There had already been plenty of speculation that Mercedes would start the new era with a very strong power unit. We had rumours about possible loopholes a year in advance. Meanwhile, the ADUO mechanism was finalized relatively late.

Honestly, I believe that the other manufacturers feared Mercedes would begin with a major advantage, so they agreed on a restrictive system so that they could keep them locked in this season. If that really happened, no wonder Toto has this constant smug-face on him. Mercedes played them all like a fiddle.

What is the objective of your post? Complaining now is what is going to allow the regulations to be changed as early as next season. If no one complained, they wouldn't consider any changes. Tombazis open to ADUO changes for 2027 | Grandprix.com

The former Ferrari man then asked a rhetorical question - “has everything worked fine?” - before answering it himself: “No, because obviously people are not happy. And do we need to think about improvements in the future? Yes, I would say so,” thus hinting that other parameters of the Power Units will be measured before ADUO decisions will be made in the future. And, I guess, everyone will agree with them, except, possibly, Mercedes.

[Emag]

What they say now hardly matters. Complaining after the regulations were agreed and finalized is immature and child-like. As I said, the time to challenge the mechanism was during the negotiations. Any incompetence here lies as much with the teams that accepted it as with the FIA.

Red Bull and the others probably have little ground to oppose the decision now anyway. There had already been plenty of speculation that Mercedes would start the new era with a very strong power unit. We had rumours about possible loopholes a year in advance. Meanwhile, the ADUO mechanism was finalized relatively late.

Honestly, I believe that the other manufacturers feared Mercedes would begin with a major advantage, so they agreed on a restrictive system so that they could keep them locked in this season. If that really happened, no wonder Toto has this constant smug-face on him. Mercedes played them all like a fiddle.

What is the objective of your post? Complaining now is what is going to allow the regulations to be changed as early as next season. If no one complained, they wouldn't consider any changes. Tombazis open to ADUO changes for 2027 | Grandprix.com

The objective of the post is to say that making claims which disregard the objective results of a methodology that was agreed upon by all teams is pointless. You cannot change these results. They are what they are. Complaining is not what is allowing the regulations to be changed. FIA admitting they were collectively ignorant is what's allowing the regulations to be changed. It's obvious they weren't going to let this go on for too long, but the teams trying to stick it to each-other has potentially allowed Mercedes another year of domination.

[AR3-GP]

The objective of the post is to say that making claims which disregard the objective results of a methodology that was agreed upon by all teams is pointless. You cannot change these results. They are what they are. Complaining is not what is allowing the regulations to be changed.

Mclaren once had their floppy wings taken away because of a complaint by a Ferrari fan on twitter. Yes, complaining about things that are not right, does work. It puts pressure on the FIA to make things right.

[Emag]

The objective of the post is to say that making claims which disregard the objective results of a methodology that was agreed upon by all teams is pointless. You cannot change these results. They are what they are. Complaining is not what is allowing the regulations to be changed.

Mclaren once had their floppy wings taken away because of a complaint by a Ferrari fan on twitter. Yes, complaining about things that are not right, does work. It puts pressure on the FIA to make things right.

The rules were what they were. McLaren were simply going around them in a way FIA didn't like so they were forced to remove it. The complaining put it on the spotlight, I agree, but there is nothing to put on the spotlight with this. The teams know exactly how the test was carried out and probably know the results as well. The complaining right now is happening because they do not like the result, not because a team went around the rules.

And FIA will make this right obviously. But they cannot just wake up right now and revert something the teams agreed on beforehand just like that.

[Paa]

It's probably the lap that he went over the broken tarmac in T1. He didn't go off track like Antonelli did, but he did have to slow down a lot.

I think he even mentioned in the cool-down room (or in the interview?) that he needed a few laps to clear his tyres after he went over that broken tarmac debris.

[Gillian]

It's probably the lap that he went over the broken tarmac in T1. He didn't go off track like Antonelli did, but he did have to slow down a lot.

I think he even mentioned in the cool-down room (or in the interview?) that he needed a few laps to clear his tyres after he went over that broken tarmac debris.

He did in the cooldown room and he also pointed out another driver had the same thing (don't remember who it was).