Scuderia Toro Rosso has announced that Carlos Sainz will join the team with immediate effect. It means that our driver line-up for the 2015 season is now established as Max Verstappen and Carlo Sainz.
Don't forget he was also offered the Honda seat in 2008 and also in 2009 brawn...he rejected them aswellzeph wrote:I have been an Alonso fan since he ended the Schumacher-era, but I have to admit I doubt he will ever win another WDC.
It is all down to bad karma, I suppose. He really reacted poorly to Hamilton's challenge in 2007, and he ignored an offer from RBR to come drive for them in 2008. Talking about missed opportunities! I can completely understand why RBR and Mercedes don't want him, they have younger drivers who are all doing incredibly well, so why get an older driver who is reputed to be a bit of a prima donna?
You can't put the entire blame on the team alone, Alonso also should take some responsibilitiesKiril Varbanov wrote:I don't believe in bad karma, to be honest, but I do believe in dedicated work and constant push. This is what Alonso believes in, too, apparently, but the team is simply unable to provide him with a winning car - for variety of reasons. Some of them are believed to be gone now, but time will tell.
I underline on 'winning' and not 'dominant', as these are different things. While all this is somewhat logical and is a result of what has or hasn't been done, I'm absolutely delighted to have Honda back - this is shuffling game
siskue2005 wrote:Don't forget he was also offered the Honda seat in 2008 and also in 2009 brawn...he rejected them aswellzeph wrote:I have been an Alonso fan since he ended the Schumacher-era, but I have to admit I doubt he will ever win another WDC.
It is all down to bad karma, I suppose. He really reacted poorly to Hamilton's challenge in 2007, and he ignored an offer from RBR to come drive for them in 2008. Talking about missed opportunities! I can completely understand why RBR and Mercedes don't want him, they have younger drivers who are all doing incredibly well, so why get an older driver who is reputed to be a bit of a prima donna?
Yeah, I do feel that Alonso and McLaren owe one another a championship!WilliamsF1 wrote:siskue2005 wrote: Don't forget he was also offered the Honda seat in 2008 and also in 2009 brawn...he rejected them aswell
You cant blame him for that. He left Renault for Mclaren because they were not fully committed to F1. Those days only 2 teams consistently challenged for WDC, his Mclaren experience failed and his sole aim was to get to Ferrari. Renault meanwhile was just a stopover, he would have not gone there had it not been for Flavio.
Anyway he has some serious unfinished business at Mclaren, he needs to have Ron eat from his palm and drink water. He can then go back and have his farewell at Ferrari.
over that every now and then.The Mclaren sponsorship would have continued either way, at the time Santander where bringing its various British brands under its own name, Hamilton, then Button after he left have been, and still are very prominent in their ad campaigns. I think it was more a case of their boss liking the idea of following Alonso that lead to the duplication, but as he recently passed away, and the F1 sponsorship was, supposedly, his idea, there's every chance the new boss might decide they've had enough of F1. But that Button certainly is still used in ads in Britain at least suggests they must get a return on it, guess Alonso is used in a similar way in Spain etc.Bob Brown wrote:Yeah, Santander was with Alonso when he went to McLaren. But when he jumped ship after 1 year, they were caught in a bind and ended up sponsoring both Ferrari and McLaren drivers. I imagine that to be continue when Fred jumps back again.
Of course but is he responsible for bad strategies, the wind tunnel, weak engine, a team that has zero political power and I can go like this all day. Alonso is not a saint but the responsabilty to have the right tools to make a great car is not his.You can't put the entire blame on the team alone, Alonso also should take some responsibilities
And I did not know that:
“When you first go there,” Gilles Villeneuve said to me once, “and you see the racing department, Fiorano, and everything else, you wonder how they ever manage to lose a race. But the longer you are with them, the more you understand…”
Pat Symonds went to join Williams instead and well, you know...Undoubtedly his frustrations run deep. Not only have the cars fallen short for five years, Alonso has wished to have more influence on which engineers Ferrari should employ. Most of all, a couple of years ago, he urged them to hire Pat Symonds, whom he rated very highly after several years of working with him at Renault. Ferrari, however, said no, as they did to several other of his suggestions.
I'm sorry but Ferrari 'zero political power' ?? Can't be serious there.f1universe wrote:Of course but is he responsible for bad strategies, the wind tunnel, weak engine, a team that has zero political power and I can go like this all day. Alonso is not a saint but the responsabilty to have the right tools to make a great car is not his.You can't put the entire blame on the team alone, Alonso also should take some responsibilities
I agree Alonso isn't 'the man' that decides what does or does not happen. So on one level you could say "He is not to be blamed there", and you'd be entirely right. Still, Alonso has experience enough and is valuable enough to make some demands.Ferrari still wield ultimate political power in Formula One,
...five years without winning a championship but... the team remain uniquely important to F1.
“We have reached an agreement with Ecclestone and the FIA and we are the only team with the right of veto: more political weight than that is impossible,” said Montezemolo.
Given the high temperature of the topic, there's a poll to decide - cast your vote here - http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=285Manoah2u wrote: Nah, Alonso is definately exit at Ferrari.
