Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

For ease of use, there is one thread per grand prix where you can discuss everything during that specific GP weekend. You can find these threads here.
User avatar
raymondu999
54
Joined: 04 Feb 2010, 07:31

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

You missed the one with Vettel. Here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJpsebu9lgU[/youtube]
失败者找理由,成功者找方法

lebesset
lebesset
7
Joined: 06 Aug 2008, 14:00

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

the yellow flags , it appears , were in a place where all the drivers lift off anyway
to the optimist a glass is half full ; to the pessimist a glass is half empty ; to the F1 engineer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be

Just_a_fan
Just_a_fan
593
Joined: 31 Jan 2010, 20:37

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

beelsebob wrote:
ringo wrote:We just had a great race and we're talking about DQs? :)

Redbull has too much downforce. Hamilton said after qualifying that they have 30+ points more, judging where they open the DRS in the last turn.

There was no way hamilton was going to get vettel, even without kers.

Good effort by him still. His best chance came right when Karthikenen blocked him.
The tyres were more in Mclaren's favour then.

Nice race by button too.
Agreed, Button's race was quiet, but a great job.

It surprises me that McLaren keep running him on an (n-1) stop strategy – it really isn't working for them.
Perhaps because he's not quick enough to live with Vettel and Hamilton on pure pace alone unless the car is perfect.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

Just_a_fan
Just_a_fan
593
Joined: 31 Jan 2010, 20:37

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

beelsebob wrote:
andrew wrote:
jamsbong wrote:As usual, Martin Brundle wants to stir up some controversy by insisting that Lewis is the Driver of the day. Even Coulthard question his logic.
Yeah, but Brundle is a fool, or if you like, an on air troll. I take no notice of him.
I think his suggestion was that the RBR was actually the faster car and HAM was driving better... I disagree, as do pretty much everyone here it appears. Vettel for driver of the day definitely.
Not what the vote on the forum home page is currently showing (34% for LH, 24% for SV at this moment) :wink: 8)

Sorry, couldn't resist...
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

User avatar
raymondu999
54
Joined: 04 Feb 2010, 07:31

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

Not so clear cut now; 33.4% for Seb and 35.0% for Ham
失败者找理由,成功者找方法

User avatar
Echo
0
Joined: 24 Mar 2011, 23:23

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

Missed the race because of karting practice, could somebody tell a summary of the race, please?
Rich teams should only be allowed to win

User avatar
JohnsonsEvilTwin
0
Joined: 29 Jan 2010, 11:51
Location: SU 419113

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

Considering how much quicker the Red Bull is, driver of the day has to be Hamilton around a second behind Vettel.
More could have been done.
David Purley

kakogohrena
kakogohrena
4
Joined: 16 Mar 2011, 14:31

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

lap chart

head to head

ps: That anyone is interested or not?

User avatar
Ray
2
Joined: 22 Nov 2006, 06:33
Location: Atlanta

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

Fantastic race between Lewis and Seb at the end, I was on the edge of my seat watching Lewis slowly close on him every time. Yet once again Formula 1 shows it has zero talent and zero brains in the broadcast trailer. Seriously. This is the WORST sport on tv. They focus on crap that doesn't matter, they cut away from battles regularly, and there is absolutely ZERO sense of speed when the cars are in frame. All the directors care about is the home driver and making damn sure all the trackside boards take up 90% of the frame on your TV. I hate this sport more and more every race because it's not covered by the TV crews, it's terrible.

User avatar
rfs
0
Joined: 14 Mar 2010, 00:51

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Considering how much quicker the Red Bull is, driver of the day has to be Hamilton around a second behind Vettel.
TBH I got the impression that the Mclarens had better race pace today. Button came back from 10th to beat Webber to the podium, and Hamilton was slightly faster than Seb in the latter part of the race but just couldn't overtake. Red Bull seemed to have a small race pace advantage in previous races, but it looks to me the Mclaren upgrades worked today and closed the gap to Red Bull.
Ray wrote:Fantastic race between Lewis and Seb at the end, I was on the edge of my seat watching Lewis slowly close on him every time. Yet once again Formula 1 shows it has zero talent and zero brains in the broadcast trailer. Seriously. This is the WORST sport on tv. They focus on crap that doesn't matter, they cut away from battles regularly, and there is absolutely ZERO sense of speed when the cars are in frame. All the directors care about is the home driver and making damn sure all the trackside boards take up 90% of the frame on your TV. I hate this sport more and more every race because it's not covered by the TV crews, it's terrible.
But it can't be easy to cover the races with all the pit stops and varying strategies going on this year.

User avatar
ringo
240
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 10:57

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

Mclaren could not be the fastest car today, they would have cleared Vettel with strategy if it was.
The Redbull is better on the tyres and has more downforce.

The faster car would simply overtake before the 10 laps, or be riding up on the other's gearbox for that time.
Juding by Vettel not even having to defend i would say he was in control but was pressured.
For Sure!!

User avatar
Ray
2
Joined: 22 Nov 2006, 06:33
Location: Atlanta

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

rfs wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: But it can't be easy to cover the races with all the pit stops and varying strategies going on this year.
No it isn't, but there is absolutely no excuse for cutting away from Alonso and Webber fighting it out to show an empty pit lane and front straight as a long and low shot. There's no onboards to speak of during real tight battles, there is nothing but long low shots that give no sensation of speed and instead show the trackside sponsor boards taking up 90% of the screen. FOM TV coverage is absolutely horrible. It's terrible in every way, shape and form. Watch Monaco next week and pay attention to how much of the screen the cars take up versus the amount the sponsor boards do. Especially in the hairpin, that stupid woman on the board is what the framing of the shot is based off of and when the cars turn towards Portier they will immediately zoom in on that sponsor board. Complete garbage camera work through and through.

MuseF1
MuseF1
4
Joined: 08 Aug 2005, 01:33
Location: Birmingham, England

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

ringo wrote:Mclaren could not be the fastest car today, they would have cleared Vettel with strategy if it was.
The Redbull is better on the tyres and has more downforce.

The faster car would simply overtake before the 10 laps, or be riding up on the other's gearbox for that time.
Juding by Vettel not even having to defend i would say he was in control but was pressured.
You have to consider that lewis was in dirty air most of the time, especially at the end. vettel could stay ahead of lewis out of the pits as he stopped a lap or a few laps earlier, gaining x seconds from fresh rubber.
having said that, vettel didnt use his kers most of the time, so he did have a disadvantage

webber had a faster car than alonso, but couldnt overtake, he gained his position back from alonso's pit stop and the used set of tyres alonso had

andrew
andrew
0
Joined: 16 Feb 2010, 15:08
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland - WhiteBlue Country (not the region)

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

beelsebob wrote:
andrew wrote:
jamsbong wrote:As usual, Martin Brundle wants to stir up some controversy by insisting that Lewis is the Driver of the day. Even Coulthard question his logic.
Yeah, but Brundle is a fool, or if you like, an on air troll. I take no notice of him.
I think his suggestion was that the RBR was actually the faster car and HAM was driving better... I disagree, as do pretty much everyone here it appears. Vettel for driver of the day definitely.
I think he needs to consider which driver had all the toys and newer tyres, and which didn't. Lewis with slightly newer tyres, DRS and fully functional KERS could not pass Vettel who did not have the advantage of DRS, his KERS was on the blink and his tyres were 2 laps older.

[...]
Last edited by Steven on 24 May 2011, 12:21, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Removed driver nicknaming and some ranting

User avatar
ringo
240
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 10:57

Re: Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

Post

The redbull without KERS was still unpassable. How is that the slower car?

No one could overtake vettel today. The car was simply too planted in the last turn.

That's not driver ability, that's simply 120 lb more of downforce over the rear axle.

Let's just say the race was Vettel's to lose. If Hamilton won today it would have been a stolen win.

Beating a redbull on a redbull track on the same strategy would have probably been the best win of the season so far.

At no point did it look like Hamilton was perched in the fastest car in full control.
The man in control was in the best machinery. Even without KERS and DRS use that machine was superior.

edit: don't get me wrong Lewis was closing in overall, but the turns that count the 26 was useless compared to the rb7.
For Sure!!