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Lewis has had a tendency to exaggerate rivals' advantages however, so I'd take it with a grain of salt

[214270]

Plain to see last weekend frankly. Whilst HAM was flashing away harvesting on the home straight, no harvesting for VER.

https://imgur.com/a/3ZNADAT

[AR3-GP]

Plain to see last weekend frankly. Whilst HAM was flashing away harvesting on the home straight, nothing for VER.

https://imgur.com/a/3ZNADAT

It's not really something that's "plain to see". It's better to look at telemetry on like for like laps (like in qualifying).

In your race video, it's not possible to account for each driver being in different ERS modes (Hamilton likely trying to get the battery charged to try and mount a defense on the straight) while Verstappen being given more deployment in order to close the gap (knowing he can rely on DRS on the straight).

Again, I'm not saying the Honda doesn't clearly have some kind of ERS advantage, just that it's impossible to see it just by looking at the lights on a random lap in the race.

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How reliable is HAM`s comment in Ted Kravitz's official interview before the Mexico race saying that Honda now has almost 100% deployment over the entire lap compared to Merc and other manufacturers which have only 70 to 80%?

Another question is regarding how the F1 teams can figure out how much deployment the PU from another manufacturer has over an entire lap. I mean which are the methods to determine that fact ...

Even the fans nowadays have access to serious amount of telemetry data (mainly trough fastf1 library) from where various analysis can be made. Clipping is actually one of the easiest variables to spot as you can see either a decline in speed or holding constant speed at some level. Red bull's acceleration traces have a very obvious deviation from all other PUs as they don't behave in such a way, aka they're deploying almost all the time (qualifying obviously). Now imagine what kind of analysis teams might be able to do with all the tools at their disposal.

Ok, I thank you, dear Sir, both for your effort to answer me and mostly for your in-depth and very info posts here at this forum!

Cheers, A.

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Just a test item for FP1 then rather than anymore updates. Although obviously the unused wing will be run now

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Maybe trying to recover some of the topspeed performance that was majorly lacking in fp1

[MadMax]

Maybe trying to recover some of the topspeed performance that was majorly lacking in fp1

Front wings have little effect on total drag and thus top speed.

More likely is that they're experimenting with aero changes in preparation for next year.

[chrisc90]

Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.

[AR3-GP]

Maybe trying to recover some of the topspeed performance that was majorly lacking in fp1

They were only about 10km/h down on RB. This is normally 20 km/h at sea level.

[dans79]

Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.

Depends how many spares you have, and how much budget you have left.

[chrisc90]

Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.

Depends how many spares you have, and how much budget you have left.

True. I guess, realistically, your only sacrificing one upper wing element of the wing. I could be wrong but id imagine they are built in sections.

[MadMax]

Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.

Wing exists, wing was agreed with FIA, some other team protests, adjust wing to keep everyone happy.

If you haven't gone over budget then you can spend a few quid on an angle grinder cutting disc.

This is how legal teams behave in a budget cap environment.

[MadMax]

Maybe trying to recover some of the topspeed performance that was majorly lacking in fp1

They were only about 10km/h down on RB. This is normally 20 km/h at sea level.

Front wing sets up flow conditions to the rest of the car. Has little effect on drag / top speed. Seems like Mercedes are using FP as a live wind tunnel session. Very clever and unlikely to fall foul of the FIA...

[chrisc90]

Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.

Wing exists, wing was agreed with FIA, some other team protests, adjust wing to keep everyone happy.

If you haven't gone over budget then you can spend a few quid on an angle grinder cutting disc.

This is how legal teams behave in a budget cap environment.

Id say taking a grinder to your front wing is showing a sign of desperation and you dont know whats happening with the initial part of your setup which affects the rest of the air flow across the car.

I cant see any valid reason for doing such a thing, without having CFD/airflow data to back up what your doing.

[RZS10]

It also seems to be an old spec (3 vs now 2 of those separators, see here viewtopic.php?p=1097272#p1097272) ... might as well cut it up and see what happens.