[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[Marti_EF3]

The amount of money needed to develop a PU I think is far more than a title sponsor can offer. Without Honda partly funding it, I don't see that happening

[HPD]

I don't think it's just a question of "money" for Honda.
I believe that Honda no longer wants to use its facilities and its engineers in the development of F1.
If it was a money problem I'm sure RB would have done something

[adrianjordan]

If you can count to 4 you can develop rhythm.

Most music is 1 2 3 snare drum.

Breaks are 1, 2, pause, 3,4.

What?

Only music in 4 4 time....and A LOT of music is not in 4 4 time.

[etusch]

I can see feedback from drivability but as far as where harvesting happens and where clipping is on the straight, I agree with others that everyone could see it through GPS tracing already. Do F1 driver really get involved with mapping? This is not just ICE mapping but also torque fill with ERS, I don't see how driver really get involved in the nitty gritty. To make transition smooth in adding ERS torque fill and let it fade before harvesting maybe more of a drivability but does driver really get to know the detail on the PU mechanically to provide any useful information?

A driver can say that "I can be faster if I had deployment at x turn" but I think he would say that without calculating where he will lost that power by using it somewhere else. Of course engineers will listen them but at the end math gives better result.
Another fact is that Redbull and Mercedes are different cars, has different behaviours and there are areas Redbull is better because of it's concept and same for merc too (maybe a bit more than Redbull) I don't know if perez could bring usefull knowledge about it(mapping) but it is for sure that nothing can be directly transfered between these cars. İnclude mapping.

[etusch]

I don't think it's just a question of "money" for Honda.
I believe that Honda no longer wants to use its facilities and its engineers in the development of F1.
If it was a money problem I'm sure RB would have done something

Redbull also says development of engine is too expensive to take over..

[Hoffman900]

I don't think it's just a question of "money" for Honda.
I believe that Honda no longer wants to use its facilities and its engineers in the development of F1.
If it was a money problem I'm sure RB would have done something

Redbull also says development of engine is too expensive to take over..

Which is pretty incredible, as their real worth is a marketing powerhouse and leveraging ROI. If the ROI isn't there for Redbull, it surely isn't for most manufacturers.

[etusch]

I don't think it's just a question of "money" for Honda.
I believe that Honda no longer wants to use its facilities and its engineers in the development of F1.
If it was a money problem I'm sure RB would have done something

Redbull also says development of engine is too expensive to take over..

Which is pretty incredible, as their real worth is a marketing powerhouse and leveraging ROI. If the ROI isn't there for Redbull, it surely isn't for most manufacturers.

Redbull is not selling cars. This makes it a bit different. But I also think there is not enough return as money but maybe just prestige

[godlameroso]

If you can count to 4 you can develop rhythm.

Most music is 1 2 3 snare drum.

Breaks are 1, 2, pause, 3,4.

What?

Only music in 4 4 time....and A LOT of music is not in 4 4 time.

Just saying, it's a good way to start. You have to crawl before you can run.

[godlameroso]

I don't think it's just a question of "money" for Honda.
I believe that Honda no longer wants to use its facilities and its engineers in the development of F1.
If it was a money problem I'm sure RB would have done something

It's partly money, partly Honda shifting focus to more electrification. The Super GT and Super Formula engines continue being developed, and they surely use some form of pre-chamber tech. Honda is going to continue until the end of 2021, that means it's full steam ahead until then.

[Big Tea]

If you can count to 4 you can develop rhythm.

Most music is 1 2 3 snare drum.

Breaks are 1, 2, pause, 3,4.

What?

Only music in 4 4 time....and A LOT of music is not in 4 4 time.

But the sultans play creole

[Zynerji]

Redbull also says development of engine is too expensive to take over..

Which is pretty incredible, as their real worth is a marketing powerhouse and leveraging ROI. If the ROI isn't there for Redbull, it surely isn't for most manufacturers.

Redbull is not selling cars. This makes it a bit different. But I also think there is not enough return as money but maybe just prestige

Time to build/ buy a factory and open Alpha Tauri Italian supercars with a toned down, heavier version of the 2019 Honda F1 engine?

I think they could get $1M each. Why wouldn't they? Newey has the experience, now he can do luxury supercars, not stripped down Valkyrie racecars.

[godlameroso]

Honda is not going out soft, they're putting the best of the best in all their cars. Honda Boss said as much, lots of improvements to be made with Honda and all 4 cars. Why would Honda put anything but the best in their last year?!

I would love to see a Red Bull technology and Honda collaboration, perhaps something to consider if they win together. Honda is rumored to be working on a next gen S2000. A man can dream.

[sn809]

Agreed but if its anything like the NSX -too expensive it will be a difficult car to sell.
The Honda e-car was really good as well but again too expensive to get mass market acceptance.

[etusch]

Honda is not going out soft, they're putting the best of the best in all their cars. Honda Boss said as much, lots of improvements to be made with Honda and all 4 cars. Why would Honda put anything but the best in their last year?!

I would love to see a Red Bull technology and Honda collaboration, perhaps something to consider if they win together. Honda is rumored to be working on a next gen S2000. A man can dream.

What version was your s2000, first gen, ap1 or 2 ?

[etusch]

Time to build/ buy a factory and open Alpha Tauri Italian supercars with a toned down, heavier version of the 2019 Honda F1 engine?

I think they could get $1M each. Why wouldn't they? Newey has the experience, now he can do luxury supercars, not stripped down Valkyrie racecars.

My opinion is;
1 m$ is still too cheap for a car powered with F1 based engine. But I would like to see them to set a company joint undertaking by Redbull Racing and Honda to produce purely track oriented supercars. Fully carbon fiber car designed under management of Newey and redbull engineers with f1 style seamless gb, and v6 or v8 honda engine. Maybe 2 different spec, if you like turbo a v6 turbo option and if you like NA, v8 high revving engine. Under this collaboration they can sell it with high price.