2022 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:33
MadMax wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:30
chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:19
Seems a odd way to experiment on next your by taking a grinder to a expensive front wing.
Wing exists, wing was agreed with FIA, some other team protests, adjust wing to keep everyone happy.

If you haven't gone over budget then you can spend a few quid on an angle grinder cutting disc.

This is how legal teams behave in a budget cap environment.
Id say taking a grinder to your front wing is showing a sign of desperation and you dont know whats happening with the initial part of your setup which affects the rest of the air flow across the car.

I cant see any valid reason for doing such a thing, without having CFD/airflow data to back up what your doing.
You assume they haven't ball parked this through CFD?

Heck, they may have eaten a sandwich or two whilst considering it.

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MadMax wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:34
chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:33
MadMax wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:30

Wing exists, wing was agreed with FIA, some other team protests, adjust wing to keep everyone happy.

If you haven't gone over budget then you can spend a few quid on an angle grinder cutting disc.

This is how legal teams behave in a budget cap environment.
Id say taking a grinder to your front wing is showing a sign of desperation and you dont know whats happening with the initial part of your setup which affects the rest of the air flow across the car.

I cant see any valid reason for doing such a thing, without having CFD/airflow data to back up what your doing.
You assume they haven't ball parked this through CFD?

Heck, they may have eaten a sandwich or two whilst considering it.
The chances of it are pretty slim id imagine.

Its odd, you see no other team doing the same throughout the weekend/season/practice sessions.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 01:33
Id say taking a grinder to your front wing is showing a sign of desperation and you dont know whats happening with the initial part of your setup which affects the rest of the air flow across the car.

I cant see any valid reason for doing such a thing, without having CFD/airflow data to back up what your doing.
Back in the day when teams had a lot revenue than they did now stuff like this was common.

for example listen to the voice over in the old mclaren video.
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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2022, 23:00


Maybe trying to recover some of the topspeed performance that was majorly lacking in fp1
This is farcicical. I am afraid this is pointing to continued correlation issues. Teams like Mercedes aren't expected to be reacting like this in the last moment.

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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
Mercedes expected to be in strong form in Mexico and were not disappointed. "That was our best Friday of the year," said a happy Russell, setting himself high goals: "We should be able to get a podium here." Hamilton also exuded optimism: "The more we understand the car, the better it feels." Marko judged from afar: "I'm afraid Mercedes could become an opponent for us here."
On FP1:
Lewis Hamilton had to wait until 13 minutes before the end before his Mercedes was finally able to drive. Before that, it stood in the garage for a long time due to cooling problems. Those have now been resolved. Mercedes was a bit too optimistic when calculating the cooling.

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Wonder why Russell was so impressed? Hope he isnt basing his comments off FP2 session.
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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:15
Wonder why Russell was so impressed? Hope he isnt basing his comments off FP2 session.
In Fp1 ham was running with massive straight-line deficit due to detuned engine and was still very competitive in long run and 1-lap

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Image

The Merc has some really nice angles.
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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Oct 2022, 14:15
Wonder why Russell was so impressed? Hope he isnt basing his comments off FP2 session.
I'd think the FP2 time is part of it. There was track evolution of course, but they are able to put that into perspective. Setting a 1s quicker lap time is a lot, and miles ahead of the level Alpha Tauri and Alpine improved (or not) from FP1 to FP2.

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atanatizante wrote:
28 Oct 2022, 14:11
How reliable is HAM`s comment in Ted Kravitz's official interview before the Mexico race saying that Honda now has almost 100% deployment over the entire lap compared to Merc and other manufacturers which have only 70 to 80%?

Another question is regarding how the F1 teams can figure out how much deployment the PU from another manufacturer has over an entire lap. I mean which are the methods to determine that fact ...

Its seems right if the other cars are draggier than the RedBull. The energy required goes up dramatically with the square of drag.
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Season overview

Qualifying H2H
Hamilton 12-8 Russell

Race H2H
Hamilton 10-10 Russell

Russell leads Hamilton by 15 pts

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What bad strategy why put on the slow hard tyre.. toto needs a new strategy team

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Far too safe. Both drivers could have easily extended their first stints. This would have brought the race to life.

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I'm not sure Toto knows the meaning of "aggressive". Surely that would have been a long stint on either C3 or C4.

Russell was quite smart today on the radio, but Merc nerfed his strategy call for some reason. If Ricciardo's race was anything to go buy, Russell was on the money strat wise.
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I think Merc are more interested in maximising points v Ferrari than getting wins, no matter what Toto say
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