Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
dren wrote:Surprise, nobody is interested in a Honda lump! From the future upgrades, Hasegawa is expecting half a second lap time improvement, or maybe it'd just be nice but might not come to fruition. Floundering decisions. Reeks of oversight by committees of committees.
When people in F1 say half a second per lap, what lap are they referring to? Half a second per lap in Austria is very different to doing the same in Spa.
I know it is a convenient frame of reference, but it is odd that such a technically minded community uses such an imprecise unit of measurement. Or is this just their way of communicating technical information in a way that the average reader would understand?
Usually they mean .5 around a benchmark track like Barcelona. Teams test there, so they have massive experience with the circuit. Also like the saying goes, the rain in Spain falls mostly on the plain, so they don't have to worry too much about bad weather. Therefore since it's such a often used, consistent venue, when teams talk about improvements they're using Barcelona as a reference.
dren wrote:Surprise, nobody is interested in a Honda lump! From the future upgrades, Hasegawa is expecting half a second lap time improvement, or maybe it'd just be nice but might not come to fruition. Floundering decisions. Reeks of oversight by committees of committees.
When people in F1 say half a second per lap, what lap are they referring to? Half a second per lap in Austria is very different to doing the same in Spa.
I know it is a convenient frame of reference, but it is odd that such a technically minded community uses such an imprecise unit of measurement. Or is this just their way of communicating technical information in a way that the average reader would understand?
It's a freakin quote from the head of Honda's F1 program. Call Hasegawa and ask him! My comments on the post you must have overlooked. I was getting at the fact he seems very unsure of what kind of gain they will get and that they are having issues making decisions. Nobody is interested in their underperforming PU. FFS
2 Tokens used for Siverstone. Both Drivers get it. No new Engines needed but Fernando will get a fresh one for "stategic Reasons".
Upgrade to Intake System to improve combustion efficiency and Power Output (but not very much, basically recovering what they lost with the Canada Upgrade).
dren wrote:Surprise, nobody is interested in a Honda lump! From the future upgrades, Hasegawa is expecting half a second lap time improvement, or maybe it'd just be nice but might not come to fruition. Floundering decisions. Reeks of oversight by committees of committees.
When people in F1 say half a second per lap, what lap are they referring to? Half a second per lap in Austria is very different to doing the same in Spa.
I know it is a convenient frame of reference, but it is odd that such a technically minded community uses such an imprecise unit of measurement. Or is this just their way of communicating technical information in a way that the average reader would understand?
It's a freakin quote from the head of Honda's F1 program. Call Hasegawa and ask him! My comments on the post you must have overlooked. I was getting at the fact he seems very unsure of what kind of gain they will get and that they are having issues making decisions. Nobody is interested in their underperforming PU. FFS
Please read the post two posts prior to yours. I wasn't querying your logic. In fact I wasn't interested in anything you had to say at all. I LITERALLY was only interested in reference to "half a second a lap" as it is a term heard and used all the time, not simply because you used it.
Thunders:
Upgrade to Intake System to improve combustion efficiency and Power Output (but not very much, basically recovering what they lost with the Canada Upgrade).
Glad about the increase in efficiency !! Too much fuel saving compared to other teams !!
Let's hope for a good and positive race weekend [-o< [-o<
I don't think they've had horrible fuel saving issues last few races, they had to compromise engine power to get more electric generation. This will allow them to gain back the power they were forced to sacrifice.
If before they were making 890 hp combined but ended up with 860 hp combined in order to generate enough electric energy. This will allow them to have 880-890 during the race under self sustain mode. This is probably worth a few tenths in the race maybe a bit more in qualifying. Plus you know McLaren is diligently bringing chassis updates every race. We'll find out tomorrow I guess.
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I kind of figured that's what they were doing. Interesting that they've decided on a modular solution, but it's expected from Honda, I've always liked that about their things.
So they're left with 10 tokens now, they can still change a lot of things. I for one don't think the engine design is a complete dead end. Honda is just treading carefully because they only want to take steps forward, they can't risk taking a step forward then two steps back, next year it won't be an issue. It's been a painful process to watch for sure, the engine is improving, and will get better. They'll maybe gain another .4 from the engine by the end of the season.
The trumpets are not fixed length, they're also changing the throttles. I too don't understand how changing the intake and throttle bodies will give ~15hp. Maybe they optimized them for the new turbo?
