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Turbo, emeran & jz11, I agree with you.
This years championships got a black mark. What ever the outcome of title fight, there will be doubts and complains.
Racing was always hard and defensive moves, like you written, were hard too.
And guys with no hope of winning the championchips in most cases did not fight that ferociosly with the one that actualy do fight for the champinchips win, expecialy in the last races ( did happened that too but with some hidden intention of helping his teammate, his team, his factory, ....)
Emeran what did you race? Mine was Tomos DMS GP75. Never have been good enough for factory team, but raced nationals at that time.
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This is the first time I have seen this clip.. but imho MM was driving way too aggressive.
And i believe you can clearly see that MM was leaning into Rossi when he "kicked" him..
I think MM staged this whole thing perfectly and Rossi was a fool not to see it.
MM was deliberately trying to crash either both or just Rossi alone, or provoke such a reaction from Rossi.
Nevertheless, for us spectators it was a great battle to watch and shame it ended up this way.
I cannot imagine what vid replay you saw G-J..
Rossi carefully lined up M-M, visually checking him, like an international space station docking procedure..
..& deliberately put the boot in, directly causing M-M to crash.. this is quite unsporting by any means..
& pretty much - unheard of - at this level.. surely, Honda's telemetry would confirm this is the case..
Such dirty tricks are perhaps more of a soccer phenomenon, but would likely draw a red card, I`m sure..
In Moto GP especially, it is also a potentially very dangerous action to take, & ought to be subject to a serious sanction.
Traditionally in Moto GP, & unlike some other motorsports, each race has primarily been a discrete quest for victory,
regardless of championship permutations, & featuring no team orders, either..
The past two races have been sensational, & I for one - love to see overtaking & positional changes, such as at Phillip Is., right up to the last lap - & over a full race distance, if possible, rather than a procession, as it was at Penang,
- subsequent to Rossi's impropriety..
I note that Rossi is seeking review of the situation & is suggesting that he may withdraw from the final race, if his penalty
is not rescinded.. & I'd like Honda/FIM to publish the telemetry from the crash.. to settle the facts, scientifically..
..not via politico-economic & fan-boi interference..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"
Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).
So 99% of Moto GP fans are doing a rain dance now.
Rossi can finish 4th in the dry, depending on Ducati's performance. It's not impossible to have a Honda 1-2. Dani is riding well. Marquez will want to put Dani in his place as number 2 and Mr Nakamoto will demand his riders stop playing games (if they are or not) so Lorenzo can end up 3rd (16 points) so Rossi would then need 10 points 6th which is very do-able wet or dry.
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NathanOlder wrote:So 99% of Moto GP fans are doing a rain dance now.
Rossi can finish 4th in the dry, depending on Ducati's performance. It's not impossible to have a Honda 1-2. Dani is riding well. Marquez will want to put Dani in his place as number 2 and Mr Nakamoto will demand his riders stop playing games (if they are or not) so Lorenzo can end up 3rd (16 points) so Rossi would then need 10 points 6th which is very do-able wet or dry.
Agreed, plus IMHO most of the riders in the back will not fight with Rossi too hard and I think he will jump most of them at the start for sure, so I guess we can see Rossi in top 10 in the first 4-5 laps, after that the race is on.
Yeah spot on. I also think the italian boys on the Ducati's wont put up mych resistance, Dovi, Maniac Joe and Petrucci. So should be in with a shout. All depends on who wins.
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This is the first time I have seen this clip.. but imho MM was driving way too aggressive.
Marquez has always been too aggressive, but people only complain about this race because Rossi accused him of trying to harm him intentionally
In Laguna Seca, when Marquez did to Rossi exactly the same Rossi did some time ago, it was fun, they both were kidding in the paddock, and that aggressivenes was fine. But now when Rossi is fighting for the title suddenly that same aggressivenes is on purpose to harm Rossi.... Sorry but no, stop the conspiracy theories
He´s Marquez, he´s always been the same. It´s Rossi who is manipulating the media with absurd conspiracy theories
George-Jung wrote:And i believe you can clearly see that MM was leaning into Rossi when he "kicked" him..
Yes, obviously, because they were running out of track. Some of you are comenting this as if Marquez was trying to collide with Rossi, when he was only trying to make the corner. They were NOT in the racing line and suddenly Marquez leaned into Rossi, they were out of the racing line and almost out of the track, so he tried to recover the line but Rossi kept same line so he had to correct instantly
This is the previous instant, see how far from the racing line they are, and how close they´re to get out of the track
If this is not enough, take a look at the overhead view. You´ll see when Marquez lean into Rossi, they´re almost out of track. That´s not seen from the normal cameras, but from the helicopter it is obvious.
George-Jung wrote:MM was deliberately trying to crash either both or just Rossi alone, or provoke such a reaction from Rossi.
Lorenzo said the same more than once about Marquez, if you´ve watched the video you know the reason, but now suddenly he was trying to help Lorenzo
Rossi has always been a MASTER of press conferences, and he proved it again. What Marquez has always done since day 1 in MotoGP now thanks to Rossi is seen as if he was trying to crash with Rossi and favour Lorenzo
Marquez favouring Lorenzo??? I can only think about two type of persons who could buy this, Rossi hardcore fans, or people who has never seen Marquez racing. He´s always raced very aggressively and not only with Rossi, also with Lorenzo and even with his team mate, Lorenzo knows this and they botyh have fighted and discused frequently...
But now Marquez is favouring Lorenzo because he´s aggressive defending a podium position against Rossi? You must be kidding
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This is the first time I have seen this clip.. but imho MM was driving way too aggressive.
And i believe you can clearly see that MM was leaning into Rossi when he "kicked" him..
I think MM staged this whole thing perfectly and Rossi was a fool not to see it.
MM was deliberately trying to crash either both or just Rossi alone, or provoke such a reaction from Rossi.
Nevertheless, for us spectators it was a great battle to watch and shame it ended up this way.
The stupidity of that video and all the explanations is that, anyone can take close racing incidents and tell the world, it was staged. MM has done those moves throughout his career on various drivers. To somehow pull all those shots and say, YES, MM STAGED THIS, is utter non sense. Yes, MM wanted to deliberately slow Rossi, but he did it without any contact. If Rossi was good enough, he should have beaten MM on track fair and square. To behave stupid and hit another rider is totally idiotic. No amount of these non sense videos justify what Rossi did. Rossi was just a frustrated slow rider and he knew he cannot beat MM. Period.
variante wrote:
If Rossi was good enough, he should have beaten MM on track fair and square. To behave stupid and hit another rider is totally idiotic. No amount of these non sense videos justify what Rossi did. Rossi was just a frustrated slow rider and he knew he cannot beat MM. Period.
I agree with you that Rossi should not have been the fool to react as he did.. although I can understand it.
Regarding the video, I can't read Italian so I don't know what it says.
Last but not least, Rossi wasn't slow, he just wasn't quick enough to loose MM; also he got frustrated which will result in loosing focus and therefor loose speed as well.
GPR-A wrote:Yes, MM wanted to deliberately slow Rossi, but he did it without any contact. If Rossi was good enough, he should have beaten MM on track fair and square.
...keep forgetting the context...which is always essential if you want to judge any action... It wasn't a battle between Marquez and Rossi: it was a battle between Rossi and Lorenzo for the championship! In such a dramatic situation, Marquez behaved like a kid, taking way too many risks fighting Rossi (hey, he had nothing to loose, right?).
Rossi reacted badly and out of the rules, but in a very human way. I'm still convinced that each one of us, in Rossi's place, would have been "annoyed" by Marquez behaviour and would have done a similar move... I simply cannot believe in the moralist and politically correct words of some people...
It's like trying to read a good book while a mosquito is bothering you... The only human reaction is: death to the moquito!
And for those who think that Rossi invented everything and is just throwing shìt on MM, I'd suggest you to read Loris Reggiani's analysis that you can find in my previous post.
M-M is not a "mosquito", he is current World Champion.. a title Rossi has not had for years..
Rossi has been the ( inadvertant, but direct) cause of a fellow riders death ( Simmoncelli, also at Penang),
so he surely cannot be unaware of potential outcomes of crashes, & be cognizant of not deliberately doing this..
& M-M was doing nothing with Rossi - that his team mate Dani hadn't also done - a couple of races back.. having a real go..
Rossi's petulance & subsequent misconduct is a blot on his standing, & is another reason why he cannot be GOAT..
Now - back on page 17 of this thread..
.. I predicted that Honda was not finished this year, & still had the power to influence the Riders Championship outcome..
& even if they'd lost it.. they are still in the hunt for race wins..& of course - this is fair enough..
Repsol Honda have a longstanding grudge against Rossi, & nothing so personal against Lorenzo.. fact..
Spanish ego-pride-machismo.. is likely only matched by Italian.. in Moto GP anyhow.. so what can/will Ducati do?
If Yamaha really want a Rossi title win, then a mechanical failure on Lorenzo's machine would perhaps achieve this..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"
Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. MM was playing a very stupid game and deserved his prize. Rossi should not have been penalized when it was MM who initiated the contact.
sgth0mas wrote:Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. MM was playing a very stupid game and deserved his prize. Rossi should not have been penalized when it was MM who initiated the contact.
MM deserves the boos he will surely get.
Rossi won 16 points for playing his "stupid games".. a pretty valuable prize that may yet see him get his 10th Championship..
I was cheering at the exciting race passing-dicing up until the point that Rossi deliberately put the dirty boot in..
& M-M def' wont get boos in Spain, but Rossi might, if he still wins - after all his petulance..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"
Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).
variante wrote:It wasn't a battle between Marquez and Rossi: it was a battle between Rossi and Lorenzo for the championship!
I know Rossi fans like to see it this way to justify the kick, but no, it was a battle between Rossi and Marquez for the third position of the podium. If Rossi was fighting for the title too that´s not Marquez problem, and he should not care about that, because that´s not his job
He works for HRC, not for Dorna, so he only must worry about HRC interest, and that´s finishing in best posible position. Fighting for a podium is his job. Worrying about Rossi´s chances for the title is not. As simple as that.
I´ve supported many riders who suffered similar situations in last races fighting for a title with riders who didn´t, and that has always been a handicap for the title contenders, but I have never expected/hoped those third riders to not fight, that´d be a complete lack of professionalism
variante wrote:I'm still convinced that each one of us, in Rossi's place, would have been "annoyed" by Marquez behaviour and would have done a similar move... I simply cannot believe in the moralist and politically correct words of some people..
An I cannot believe some people keep justifying a kick of a MotoGP rider to any other
