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i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter
gcdugas wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 08:46
Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.

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It’s been speculated that the suspension is working as some sort of flow conditioner to the mouth of the floor or am I mistaken?
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f1rules wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 11:29
i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter
gcdugas wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 08:46
Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.
Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.
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Innovation over refinement is the prefered path to performance. -- Get rid of the dopey regs in F1

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I know, and thanks for the input. Im really not sure if its one or the other. Both sides has been mentioned on twitter.
gcdugas wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 00:21
f1rules wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 11:29
i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter
gcdugas wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 08:46
Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.
Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.

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The best explanation I see in 3 years.

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michl420 wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 10:51
The best explanation I see in 3 years.
Agreed
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gcdugas wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 00:21
f1rules wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 11:29
i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter
gcdugas wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 08:46
Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.
Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.
No beef here but I’m just wondering why I’m ‘the case in point’ and you have pointed out that I’ve been a member of this forum for 13 years?

I don’t have a twitter account so I can’t read all the rubbish which is posted on there- only twitter stuff I see is what posted on this forum.

Anyway, are you suggesting that Mclaren in this instance have laid out their new front suspension with no interest of how it will interfere/ interact with the aerodynamics of the car?
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gcdugas wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 00:21
f1rules wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 11:29
i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter
gcdugas wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 08:46
Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.
Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.
You can’t judge anti-dive from the top wishbone alone. You have to look at it in relation to the bottom wishbone. If you look you’ll see they moved the back arm of the bottom wishbone down as well. The overall anti-dive effect of the suspension might not be as large as it may first appear looking at the change in top wishbone.

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trinidefender wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 17:36
gcdugas wrote:
20 Feb 2025, 00:21
f1rules wrote:
19 Feb 2025, 11:29
i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter

Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.
You can’t judge anti-dive from the top wishbone alone. You have to look at it in relation to the bottom wishbone. If you look you’ll see they moved the back arm of the bottom wishbone down as well. The overall anti-dive effect of the suspension might not be as large as it may first appear looking at the change in top wishbone.
Oh yes. It looks like the front lower wishbone mount is higher than usual which results in a less anti-dive effect.
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Some interesting thoughts regarding McLarens latest suspension design and how it will interact with the flexi wing ban.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... te-u-turn/
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Weird slot-looking thing at the top of the sidepods :

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Taken from this :

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Emag wrote:
25 Feb 2025, 22:51
Weird slot-looking thing at the top of the sidepods :

https://i.imgur.com/xyF7YcC.png

Taken from this :

Quite clear from this angle that it's just the top surface of the waterslide catching the light

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organic wrote:
25 Feb 2025, 22:59
Emag wrote:
25 Feb 2025, 22:51
Weird slot-looking thing at the top of the sidepods :

https://i.imgur.com/xyF7YcC.png

Taken from this :

Quite clear from this angle that it's just the top surface of the waterslide catching the light

https://i.imgur.com/IsG7iN7.jpeg
Honestly, that still looks kind of weird.
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