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George Russell was overjoyed after taking pole position for the Canadian Grand Prix. The Mercedes driver took it away from Verstappen in the dying seconds of today's qualifying while championship leader Oscar Piastri will start from 3rd on the grid.
This is the first time it actually lasted a whole lap before it started going away.erudite450 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2025, 00:17The Pirelli C6 tyre is useless. They should stop bringing it to races.
Well, yes, but think about what that would actually probably mean: teams are then incentivised to pit earlier to avoid getting caught out and so therefore they push harder to make sure they use up the available speed in the tyre. Therefore not only does your extreme example probably not actual occur all that often but I’m trying to avoid it we’ve created a different, harder form of racing.Seanspeed wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025, 22:50It's more unfair because the penalty for getting caught out is basically an automatic race over.f1316 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025, 22:01OK not much point debating any further - you described why you thought it was unfair but not why it is more unfair than what currently occurs. Right now, someone like Leclerc in Imola has pitted early, gone aggressive, seemingly performed an undercut well and an SC messes that all up - that's also unfair. The difference is, it's unfair in a way that benefits the cars who stay out and maintain track position, as opposed to those who are aggressive and make an early stop. I'm saying that - given there will be some degree of unfairness either way, since it's pure luck when an SC comes out - why not move the person it favours to the folks who have gone aggressive and therefore incentivise early/more stops rather than later/fewer stops. This is different than we had in the past when it was tried because refuelling fundamentally changes the equation - i.e. you cannot decide to stay out if you're running out of fuel.Seanspeed wrote: ↑13 Jun 2025, 17:56
I literally explained why it's unfair. And it's literally been tried and basically immediately reversed because it was terrible. The current situation isn't perfectly fair, but it's more fair than completely banning pitstops under a full safety car.
AGAIN, banning pitstops under VSC would certainly be an improvement, though. Because nobody is at risk of running out of fuel or anything and old tires aren't gonna blow running at low speeds. It still wouldn't be perfect as perhaps if you really do need to pit on old tires, but the race goes green right after you pass the pitlane entry and have to do an extra lap on those bad tires before pitting, but that's a minor concession to an otherwise much fairer situation.
But it's just an idea at the end of the day and probably no chance of it happening, so not a big deal. I just don't understand why one is more fair than the other since it just moves who benefits most from luck.
If you're nearing your pit window, but then a safety car comes out and you cant pit and the entire field bunches up and then you STILL have to pit right after it goes green, you're basically automatically gonna be put into like last place, and likely with a strong gap to even get to 2nd-to-last. You could literally be in 1st place and get sent to last place because of something like this. The sheer extremities of the potential consequences are ridiculous.
Obviously it wouldn't always work like this cuz others might be in your same situation, but we still shouldn't allow for it to ever happen. This is clearly much less fair than simply gaining/losing like roughly 8 seconds or so.
I am not kicking him when he is down, but it has been said before and I got backlash when i suggested his crashes contributed to fizzling out the 2022 title fight.
Posts are getting weirder by the day ..
McL, Verstappen and Mercedes all looked more or less equally fast
