Red Bull X1

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Curiously it isn't look too far from the machines of the "Cyber Formula" anime, and they were designed almost twenty years ago!

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I wonder how long Adrian Newey spent on this, and I also wonder how long the tyres would last on a car like this. 2 laps? maybe 3 lol

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machin
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I've just read the article on this in Car magazine and the impression I get is that Adrian had... Very little to do with this at all... It sounds like the people at GT already had the design and he might've suggested a few things here or there...

... I want to see them make one for real; anyone can make a digital one... Like I did!

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This thing does not use a gas turbine for drive; how would a CVT work with such high RPM? The inertia of the chain / belt would be madness... A gas turbine will not be able to produce the torque for that kind of acceleration..

Oh yes there are some exhaust pipes also

http://www.gtplanet.net/red-bull-x1-seb ... totype-16/

Turbine could be used as the fan, they have high flow rates
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I cant understand why wouldnt Adrian put an entire wing shaped floor with sliding skirts together with the fans...
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@Apex: a conventional fixed gear ratio could drop the turbine speed to near normal engine speeds and the CVT would do the variable bit... Williams F1 made a CVT that could handle 750 ish bhp... So its not completely unfeasible to double that...
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Belatti wrote: I cant understand why wouldnt Adrian put an entire wing shaped floor with sliding skirts together with the fans...
Rearward Center of Pressure and "too much downforce" (blasphemy!) come to mind. Last but not least, having the car styled too much like a sportscar (e.g. LMP1) could have negative ramifications with Formula 1 fans...

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X1 Specifications
Dimensions Total Length: 4.75m
Total Width: 2.18m
Height: 0.98m

Wheel Base: 2.9m
Front Track Width: 1.85m
Rear Track Width: 1.78m
Weight Dry Weight: 545kg
Wet Weight: 615kg
Engine Type: V6 Twin Turbo (Direct Injection)
Engine Displacement: 3000cc
Maximum Output: 1106.0kw (1503.8ps) / 15000rpm *1483hp
Maximum Torque: 714.1Nm (72.9kgf*m) / 12000rpm
Suspension Full Active Ride Suspension
Downforce generated at the bottom due to the fan Maximum Output 9800N, (1000kgf) equal to 1.63G
Downforce acting at vehicle speed squared due to the wings/Venturi Effect At 100km/h:
1044.7N, (106.6kgf) equal to 0.17G

At 200km/h:
4181.7N, (426.7kgf) equal to 0.69G

At 300km/h:
9412.9N, (960.5kgf) equal to 1.56G

At 400km/h:
16732.5N, (1707.4kgf) equal to 2.78G

Performance Data 0-60mph: 1.4sec
0-120mph: 2.8sec
0-200mph: 6.1sec

Maximum Speed: Over 280mph (450km/h+)
Maximum Longitudinal or Lateral Acceleration: 8.25G at 300km/h

source: http://playstadium.dk/24565/x1-prototyp ... 5-release/

autogyro
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Only sensible use of a turbine would be to recharge batteries.

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Belatti wrote:Image

I cant understand why wouldnt Adrian put an entire wing shaped floor with sliding skirts together with the fans...


where is the suction holes for the fan ?
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spinmastermic
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In front of the rear wheels

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spinmastermic wrote:In front of the rear wheels
I don't think so... the grayish things in the middle of the yellowish things (lol) are the suction holes and the blueish thing around the floor is a sealing of some sort...that's my best guess.

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After a closer inspection, looks like there are holes in the floor in front of the wheel but in a bit towards the centre of the car. Look for the diagonal black lines. They supply a double diffuser.

The brown sections under the driver are funnels for the fan, sealed with the blue skirt. The silver looking bits are filters or ducting.

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The turbine would be good for sucking air from under the car, and the blowing the same air back into the diffuser at a high speed, with the CVT the suction would be the same at a low speed as well.

So could the holes in the floor be a turbine inlet and the side pods are purely for cooling?

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They ditched the turbine for a twin turbo V6.