Scuderia Ferrari 2013

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Domenicali admitted during the interview that they still don't 100% understand the aerodynamic effect of the exhaust. This baffles me....

It baffles me considering that they've had three years to get research and development up and running in that area.

I'm baffled as well. I think some of it has to so with the engine and it's limitations due to engine freeze regs but it obviously goes beyond that. This has been an area the team has been falling behind in and I think it's where Lotus & Mercedes have gained the ground they did.

[aleks_ader]

But of course we cannot blame exhaust for everything! They lack of pace on "every" AERO bids on the car (Hungary pack was real disastrous, look difuzors FLO WIS pictures). One tenth there and there and OLE 1s is there.

But anyway the biggest disadvantaged were for Ferrari unlucky Pirreli tires after HUN... Even that ONLY real strength that Ferrari had it disappears.

Blame for that POLITICAL mess? That is easy to say and blame someone, but that it would not solve the overall issues in car development department. They need to stick heads together and find best solution. I think the media to much criticizes, than really help the team in troubles.

Problem is in my opinion more fundamental! AERO education in Italy really needs some outside encouragement (at beginning), the level of top experts need to be rised. That is cheaper for Ferrari. They maybe need some sort YOUNG engineers academy etc. Home people will be in most cases even more effective, pasionate, comited to do the job like foreigners from outside.

Formula students really help there, but it is this enought?

[shelly]

Domenicali admitted during the interview that they still don't 100% understand the aerodynamic effect of the exhaust. This baffles me....

It baffles me considering that they've had three years to get research and development up and running in that area.

I'm baffled as well. I think some of it has to so with the engine and it's limitations due to engine freeze regs but it obviously goes beyond that. This has been an area the team has been falling behind in and I think it's where Lotus & Mercedes have gained the ground they did.

It seems a strange statement to me too. They should have read f1technical, where the effect of exhaust is explained. Jokes aside, I read on blogf1.it iirc somethong along the lines of what crucail said: that the structure of ferrari engine made impossible to exploit exhausts effectively. Still it seems that sauber has managed to, at least in this part of the year. On blogf1.it, user fabio_c that seemed a credible insider, told that ferrari had seeked the help of another company to get consultancy on exhusts, back in 2011.

[CHT]

Honda has just release the soundtrack of their V6 engine. Does anyone know what is the latest news on Ferrari engine?

[stefan_]

I've read that they will make a launch event for the new engine later this year. I forgot the date/month.

[Holm86]

All i've heard is they would bring something by christmas.

[CHT]

Will the delay hamper development program for Ferrari and this engine customers?

[Holm86]

Which delay??

[CHT]

Which delay??

I am referring to the engine. For renault and Merc, they have already started doing dyno and testing of their engine, but there are still nothing coming from Ferrari, not even a picture or sound of it. Can this be good thing?

[turbof1]

Ferrari always seemed to be the manufacturer who would have the most issues with a V6 engine, simply because they always had relied on more cylinders. Most of their V6 experience comes from older era's, so is kind of redundant now. Mercedes and Renault have more experience with it in their production line and sport cars. So it's kind of normal Ferrari is taking its time.

[oT v1]

Is there really a need to release pics/sound? I don't think it relates to them being behind in development, didn't bernie go and listen to the engine during the early part of this year anyway? Denouncing it slightly for not being as exciting as the v8.

They should just release a 2 stroke single audio recording for all it means for next year's actual sound.

[Holm86]

Which delay??

I am referring to the engine. For renault and Merc, they have already started doing dyno and testing of their engine, but there are still nothing coming from Ferrari, not even a picture or sound of it. Can this be good thing?

I can guarantee you that Ferrari are doing dyno testing as well. And Ferrari's statement was that the engine photos and sound clips that Mercedes, Renault and now Honda have reveled doesn't look or sound anything like the final product. So Ferrari didn't see a point in releasing photos or sound yet. They would show their engine around Christmas because they felt that no competitor would have time to copy anything at such a late state.

[CHT]

Which delay??

I am referring to the engine. For renault and Merc, they have already started doing dyno and testing of their engine, but there are still nothing coming from Ferrari, not even a picture or sound of it. Can this be good thing?

I can guarantee you that Ferrari are doing dyno testing as well. And Ferrari's statement was that the engine photos and sound clips that Mercedes, Renault and now Honda have reveled doesn't look or sound anything like the final product. So Ferrari didn't see a point in releasing photos or sound yet. They would show their engine around Christmas because they felt that no competitor would have time to copy anything at such a late state.

There is no different to Ferrari car launch where the parts are not going to be the same as the car which arrive at the first race. Furthermore, there is really nothing much you could copy just by looking at the engine cover. Ultimately its the balance of power and fuel efficiency that is going to make or break the season.

[GitanesBlondes]

Ferrari always seemed to be the manufacturer who would have the most issues with a V6 engine, simply because they always had relied on more cylinders. Most of their V6 experience comes from older era's, so is kind of redundant now. Mercedes and Renault have more experience with it in their production line and sport cars. So it's kind of normal Ferrari is taking its time.

The Ferrari V6 turbos 30 years ago were quite good.

[GitanesBlondes]

While it is most likely an unpopular opinion, what Gary Anderson is saying is one of the big reasons why I would not be opposed to seeing Flavio Briatore as team principal at Ferrari as unlikely as it is to happen.

That's what I was thinking when I read it. It's all very well having more competent people in like James Allison but it all has to come from the top down. Come to think of it the wheels started to come off and all the political crap started after Jean Todt left.

Whenever Ferrari historically have had a stable political situation, they tend to have a fair amount of success on the track.

Whenever their political situation turns into a casting session of Machiavelli's The Prince, the wheels tend to fall off the entire operation. Montezemolo was responsible for stabilizing the team in the 70s, which in turn led to the Forghieri and Lauda combo having the success they had. He walled off Enzo completely so he couldn't destabilize the team. Of course when he was moved elsewhere, that all started falling apart and you had the run from 1980 to 1996 where a championship bordered on hopeless every single year save for '82 had things turned out differently with the drivers. Todt turned that team around completely, but it hasn't carried over since his tenure ended.

A shame Montezemolo wants to continue with Domenicali as I am sure he is a nice fellow, but is hardly made of the stuff that results in success.