The flags have primacy, Marshall’s track side are the first to see incidents and react accordingly. Drivers must respect flags at all times.
It pains me to say it but it's true, this is in my opinion a slam dunk penalty. Marshall flags always overrule any electronic systems. Should be a 5 place grid drop based on hamilton's austria incident from 2020.bonjon1979 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:49The flags have primacy, Marshall’s track side are the first to see incidents and react accordingly. Drivers must respect flags at all times.
And Sainz. It’s really ironic that Gasly is set to be the massive winner out of all this.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 21:36It pains me to say it but it's true, this is in my opinion a slam dunk penalty. Marshall flags always overrule any electronic systems. Should be a 5 place grid drop based on hamilton's austria incident from 2020.bonjon1979 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:49The flags have primacy, Marshall’s track side are the first to see incidents and react accordingly. Drivers must respect flags at all times.
By the way, same goes for bottas who also just kept it pinned while going past this marshalling post.
Very ironic indeed. Gasly P2, Alonso P3... Imagine a crash in lap 1 between Hamilton and one of them... Thin foil hats would be sold out, race thread would explode.El Scorchio wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 21:51And Sainz. It’s really ironic that Gasly is set to be the massive winner out of all this.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 21:36It pains me to say it but it's true, this is in my opinion a slam dunk penalty. Marshall flags always overrule any electronic systems. Should be a 5 place grid drop based on hamilton's austria incident from 2020.bonjon1979 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:49
The flags have primacy, Marshall’s track side are the first to see incidents and react accordingly. Drivers must respect flags at all times.
By the way, same goes for bottas who also just kept it pinned while going past this marshalling post.
They must give Bottas 3 places and Verstappen 5 places. Given the double yellow is more serious. It's like the blue flag stuff, they don't give you a pass even if your team doesn't communicate. They give the penalty regardless, if you can see the flag then you must comply.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 21:36It pains me to say it but it's true, this is in my opinion a slam dunk penalty. Marshall flags always overrule any electronic systems. Should be a 5 place grid drop based on hamilton's austria incident from 2020.bonjon1979 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:49The flags have primacy, Marshall’s track side are the first to see incidents and react accordingly. Drivers must respect flags at all times.
By the way, same goes for bottas who also just kept it pinned while going past this marshalling post.
Yes, that’s what I meant. Since the engine only has to last a few races Mercedes is probably running it in more aggressive settings, which are closer to their party mode of previous years.Gillian wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:27Depends on what you mean by that. What is banned is changing engine modes during qualifying and race. The actual engine mode is still allowed, but it would mean you would have to do the entire qualifying and race with said mode. I think what Nathanael is referring to is Mercedes is running an entire race in this high output engine mode. If that is possible and/or likely or not I don't know.adrianjordan wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 19:52You know party mode was banned ages ago right?Nathanael F1 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 18:49Unfortunately, it’s look like the Mercedes are just too dominant at this point. Party mode engine, flexing rear wing, abrupt suspension squat…whatever the reason Red Bull is not on the same level of pace. Perez was out in Q2!
It’s looking like baring mechanical failures, crashes, or getting lucky with safety cars or red flags, Mercedes will win both championships.
Lewis was using his 4th ICE from Turkey. Not the ICE from Brazil. Just as an FYI.Nathanael F1 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 22:55Yes, that’s what I meant. Since the engine only has to last a few races Mercedes is probably running it in more aggressive settings, which are closer to their party mode of previous years.Gillian wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:27Depends on what you mean by that. What is banned is changing engine modes during qualifying and race. The actual engine mode is still allowed, but it would mean you would have to do the entire qualifying and race with said mode. I think what Nathanael is referring to is Mercedes is running an entire race in this high output engine mode. If that is possible and/or likely or not I don't know.
I guess that shuts that theory down then?zibby43 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 23:22Lewis was using his 4th ICE from Turkey. Not the ICE from Brazil. Just as an FYI.Nathanael F1 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 22:55Yes, that’s what I meant. Since the engine only has to last a few races Mercedes is probably running it in more aggressive settings, which are closer to their party mode of previous years.
Yes, I know he was using the old ICE. But that means the last two races will be really tough for Red Bull to win, unless there are crashes, failures, or they get lucky with the strategy. That’s what I meant in my original comment.zibby43 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 23:22Lewis was using his 4th ICE from Turkey. Not the ICE from Brazil. Just as an FYI.Nathanael F1 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 22:55Yes, that’s what I meant. Since the engine only has to last a few races Mercedes is probably running it in more aggressive settings, which are closer to their party mode of previous years.Gillian wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 20:27
Depends on what you mean by that. What is banned is changing engine modes during qualifying and race. The actual engine mode is still allowed, but it would mean you would have to do the entire qualifying and race with said mode. I think what Nathanael is referring to is Mercedes is running an entire race in this high output engine mode. If that is possible and/or likely or not I don't know.
With the current engines in the pool, Bottas testing the power unit limits, and the few races left, maybe they are turning the engines up to only last a couple races.west52keep64 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 23:31I guess that shuts that theory down then?zibby43 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 23:22Lewis was using his 4th ICE from Turkey. Not the ICE from Brazil. Just as an FYI.Nathanael F1 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 22:55Yes, that’s what I meant. Since the engine only has to last a few races Mercedes is probably running it in more aggressive settings, which are closer to their party mode of previous years.
Reb Bull have been doing this (or having this issue) for quite some time. I remember seeing it happen last year on Max's car at least once and also saw it on Perez's car during his Red Bull shakedown with older car.Magicsenna_41 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 15:44Agree but its since 3 races. They can go easily onto previous DRS actuator spec...Revs84 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2021, 15:40Let's not forget that the teams are operating under a strict budget, and given how many upgrades Red Bull brought and the amount of crash damage they incurred, I wouldn't be surprised if they're scraping the bottom of the barrel with quick fixes rather than more expensive proper ones.
Weight is maybe another topic but not valid or an excuse.