2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[thef1noob]

This is not just the engine...

I think it is entirely the engine. A nearly 100hp disadvantage matters even on a tight track

I agree, the chassis seems nearly on par with the top teams, the engine power is the issue along with the drivability. If power delivery is not as smooth then the flaws will look like they are from the chassis side.

[Redragon]

This interview of Alonso confirms that Mclaren will continue with Honda. Also you can read between lines that his decision to stay would be taken after seeing the next upgrade results. And he might know something because the tone on his words from a spanish point of view is positive.
https://as.com/motor/2017/07/29/formula ... 73795.html

I haven't found any articles that states that next year the usage of engines in F1 would be only 3. Anyone?

If Honda on the second half of the year are at the level of Renault engine, it would be not of a problem to be on podiums or manage a win with a bit of luck as Redbull has done so far, but that obviously will depend on the chassis side, which Mclaren has been selling it as one of the best in the paddock.

[bigblue]

I agree, the chassis seems nearly on par with the top teams, the engine power is the issue along with the drivability. If power delivery is not as smooth then the flaws will look like they are from the chassis side.

Why do people say the driveability is poor from time to time ? Is there any evidence ?

[RedNEO]

So unfortunately I was right about them green lighting three engine limit for next year. It's bad news coupled with the introduction of the flip flop device. Honda is having a difficult time as it is trying to squeeze power without even considering engine usage, next year is going to be hell for them if they keep the three engine limit in place. F1's latest decisions are completely bonkers..

Finish with 5 PUs. Not so important

Yeah that's the winning spirit!!!

[etusch]

Ricciardo says he won't have "many friends" in Hungarian GP
I smell one maybe two position for Mclaren because of start mass.

[GoranF1]

I just hope to see start goes well for Alonso.
Hate to see all this good work this weekend end up in turn 1.

[diffuser]

Disappointed that we're .75 behind RBR, was hoping to be more like .2.

The worst sector was S1, .4 slower. Wonder if that is power or traction related? S1 is where the straights are.

[RedNEO]

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/201 ... y-presents

"But we're still far behind, so let's try and have some fun tomorrow. There are a lot of things happening in the background for 2018, so let's hope next year we can be fighting for pole positions and not for 7th places on the grid."

[etusch]

Disappointed that we're .75 behind RBR, was hoping to be more like .2.

The worst sector was S1, .4 slower. Wonder if that is power or traction related? S1 is where the straights are.

Rbr had better chassis than mclaren. Of course Renault pu is better than Honda too. Maybe Mclaren Renault and Rbr comparation give better result.
I think Hulk did better lap because of PU

[thef1noob]

I agree, the chassis seems nearly on par with the top teams, the engine power is the issue along with the drivability. If power delivery is not as smooth then the flaws will look like they are from the chassis side.

Why do people say the driveability is poor from time to time ? Is there any evidence ?

I think there is, several quotes from hasegawa, the drivers. There have been drivability upgrades as well. I am guessing the power delivery is not upto the mark along with the total power. But It probably is speculation. you can see them from the onboard shots especially corner exits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IzWxJQxY4

see the speed trace of alonso on the corner exits.

[Soichiro]

Why do people say the driveability is poor from time to time ? Is there any evidence ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IzWxJQxY4

see the speed trace of alonso on the corner exits.

That was posted in April (based on even older data), we are now almost in August. Corner exit speeds are affected of chassis traction too (I am not claiming McL has bad traction though).

[Soichiro]

Why do people say the driveability is poor from time to time ? Is there any evidence ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IzWxJQxY4

see the speed trace of alonso on the corner exits.

That was posted in April (based on even older data), we are now almost in August. Corner exit speeds are affected by chassis traction too (I am not claiming McL has bad traction though).

[GoranF1]

I copy this from Autosport forum:


Here is the audio from spanish journalist I cited yesterday. http://www.cope.es/a...-07-2017_403196 (min 38'30")
The journalist ask to the Hasegawa and He said "Start new championship for Honda, from here, everything will be a lot of better", and journalist add " from the next race, where they will bring new evolution pu in Spa, no more breaks, no more problems,.. from Spa new Championship for them". In the last race the journalist said the gap is 107hp for Mercedes and in this audio He cited it again. Ask to Hasegawa if they have 90hp for Alonso, and He said all will go well now,... it was a little joking

[fellowhoodlums]

Very simplistically, if you look at Q3 results.

Riccardo you'd take as a better driver than Hulkenburg however.....same engine different chassis and RB is 0.65 ahead. That's chassis, driver combo faster.

Alonso was 0.1 behind the Renault so 0.75 behind RB.

Assuming the McLaren chassis is a match for RB, are we saying the Honda engine accounts for 0.75 seconds on this track compared to a Renault engine? If so then is the 30hp/kw expect improvement on developed Spec 3 gonna bring that gap down to zero?

ok, I appreciate that if you get more from the PU you'd change the car set up a little and gain more.

[Andres125sx]

2017
1 Vettel Ferrari 1:16.276 128.484 mph
2 Raikkonen Ferrari 1:16.444 0.168
3 Bottas Mercedes 1:16.530 0.254
4 Hamilton Mercedes 1:16.693 0.417
5 Verstappen Red Bull 1:16.797 0.521
6 Ricciardo Red Bull 1:16.818 0.542
7 Hulkenberg Renault 1:17.468 1.192
8 Alonso McLaren__ 1:17.549__ 1.273
9 Vandoorne McLaren__ 1:17.894__ 1.618

it looks like they are same level with 2016

Wich doesn´t look bad if you take into account past season PU was an evolution of 2015 PU so it had some development on it, while current PU is a compromised PU wich has not been updated yet to solve all the problems wich showed on winter tests.

1.2 seconds to the pole with current compromised PU is not bad at all, when they finally introduce spec4 they should be very close to the top three teams I think