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That might be p2 in WDC and WCC. This is Ferrari's worst track in the run-in

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
I dont agree, Knew LH on faster tyres, GR knew he was on out side, still trys to go round out side of Max, not giving his team mate a 2nd thought, or did, but didnt want to ceed position to LH knowing he cant challange Max any way and we all know GR's only ambition is to beat LH. Defo GR fault

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
Different strats, i cant imagine they didnt discuss how to handle it before the race. But then, mercedes struggle with communication

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Mosin123 wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:29
PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
I dont agree, Knew LH on faster tyres, GR knew he was on out side, still trys to go round out side of Max, not giving his team mate a 2nd thought, or did, but didnt want to ceed position to LH knowing he cant challange Max any way and we all know GR's only ambition is to beat LH. Defo GR fault
i think Lewis assumed Russell would stay behind Max knowing Lewis was on the outside on faster tires. That being said, Lewis could have given George more space

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j_ste wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:30
PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
Different strats, i cant imagine they didnt discuss how to handle it before the race. But then, mercedes struggle with communication
Exactly. Lewis may have misjudged his line but I am surprised Russell fought him so hard given Hamilton was on much better tyres.

They should have talked strategy ahead of the race.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
Not it in my opinion, it's george not using his brain as usual.
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Luscion wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:32
Mosin123 wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:29
PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
I dont agree, Knew LH on faster tyres, GR knew he was on out side, still trys to go round out side of Max, not giving his team mate a 2nd thought, or did, but didnt want to ceed position to LH knowing he cant challange Max any way and we all know GR's only ambition is to beat LH. Defo GR fault
i think Lewis assumed Russell would stay behind Max knowing Lewis was on the outside on faster tires. That being said, Lewis could have given George more space
He ( LH ) should have left room, But given the different starting tyres and knowing your team m8 is on a faster tyre, He shouldnt have been trying to fight LH in the first place, on the first lap of a race, when his race is with the teams behind him, Not his team mate who is doing a different race strategy anyway.

GR was never going to beat Max, so why even bother trying, just slot behind and make the most of the tow while you can trying to keep a head of the slightly faster McLarens, and the Ferraris......

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dans79 wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:41
PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:09
Lewis Hamilton's fault there!
Not it in my opinion, it's george not using his brain as usual.
How? What could Russell have done? Expect Hamilton to turn in on him?

Bizarre opinion on something that's quite clear cut, given Hamilton himself has taken "100% responsibility"

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organic wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:45
How? What could Russell have done? Expect Hamilton to turn in on him?
George knew what tires, Lewis was on. Having run them yesterday himself, he for sure knew they had far better grip for the first turn. He knew Lewis had overlap down the strait. So no way a competent racing driver didn't know whats Lewis was going to do.

If he brakes like 1m earlier, Lewis clears him and sweeps around the outside of max. He then could have drifted wide got on the power earlier, and followed Lewis, and then pushed max wide into turn 2.

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08 Oct 2023, 19:45
Bizarre opinion on something that's quite clear cut, given Hamilton himself has taken "100% responsibility"
That's because at times like this Lewis is far to nice and diplomatic
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dans79 wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:54
organic wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 19:45
How? What could Russell have done? Expect Hamilton to turn in on him?
George knew what tires, Lewis was on. Having run them yesterday himself, he for sure knew they had far better grip for the first turn. He knew Lewis had overlap down the strait. So no way a competent racing driver didn't know whats Lewis was going to do.

If he brakes like 1m earlier, Lewis clears him and sweeps around the outside of max. He then could have drifted wide got on the power earlier, and followed Lewis, and then pushed max wide into turn 2.

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08 Oct 2023, 19:45
Bizarre opinion on something that's quite clear cut, given Hamilton himself has taken "100% responsibility"
That's because at times like this Lewis is far to nice and diplomatic
Lewis also said it was a racing incident. He's choosing his words carefully as the incident is still under investigation IIRC.

I agree with you FWIW.

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Car had such good pace today, looks like every time the W14 goes well on a track Merc finds a way to mess it up

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Luscion wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 20:31
Car had such good pace today, looks like every time the W14 goes well on a track Merc finds a way to mess it up
I don't think they quite had McLaren's pace, but they probably could have remained ahead given their starting positions.

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Luscion wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 20:31
Car had such good pace today, looks like every time the W14 goes well on a track Merc finds a way to mess it up
We never saw what hamilton could have done either. Russell had goid pace but his top speed with the higher downforce was atrocious and he couldn’t clear the alpines. I think ham could have been faster than that.

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George took Lewis out.

He must've know with the softs he was always going to take a chance and attack. But didn't think about backing off for a millisecond .

What a shame. Lewis could've closed a huge chunk on Perez for 2nd in the championship. And Merc would've all but cemented their place ahead of Ferrari.
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Shrieker wrote:
08 Oct 2023, 21:28
George took Lewis out.

He must've know with the softs he was always going to take a chance and attack. But didn't think about backing off for a millisecond .

What a shame. Lewis could've closed a huge chunk on Perez for 2nd in the championship. And Merc would've all but cemented their place ahead of Ferrari.
Where was George expected to go when he had his front wheel alongside Max's rear wheel?
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