2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Gillian]

Put Max in the VCARB for a free practice session, and alot will be answered

Id pay money for this, a lot.

[Sergej]

Remember Tsunoda saying Horner told him they wouldn't swap position if he was ahead of Max

[FittingMechanics]

Remember Tsunoda saying Horner told him they wouldn't swap position if he was ahead of Max

He didn't lie

[ENGINE TUNER]

Sergio Perez was atleast scoring points.

No he wasn't, and Sergio was having big crashes every week, costing the team huge chunks of money against the cap.

[euv2]

Remember Tsunoda saying Horner told him they wouldn't swap position if he was ahead of Max

Some people here that were saying Max finally got a teammate that was going to challenge him have gone awfully quiet now.

[Bill]

rather than people trolling they should just listen to what the driver say .yuki say the car is relatively easy to driver but melting the tires. He was lapped twice that's not normal if anyone use their head you can see the problem is with the car.horner say yuki should try too use his own setup but that's a fallacy because the operational window of that car is narrow.checo was fired because he was on quali a 1 second behind max at a time redbull was the fastest car and was prone to crushes.

[Bill]

The car isn't easy to drive, but it's not that difficult either.

- Christian Horner

Is the team boss correct in this assessment?

It somehow doesn't compute with Lawson now having more championship points than Tsunoda, despite Lawson switching to the "slower" car and Tsunoda to the "quicker" car after just 2 rounds.

Is the problem a severe lack of driving skill by Tsunoda, Lawson, Perez, Albon and Gasly to handle this "not that difficult" car?

IMO, Red Bull should go all out with a $50m/annum three-year offer for George Russel to solve their second driver problem once and for all!

RBR can have the Verstappen/Russell superteam rather than Mercedes-Benz. [What can go wrong? I hear they get on great!]

[GR's management team's conflict of interest is problematic, but presumably Wolff would be compelled to take the more attractive Red Bull-Ford offer for the services of Russell, while fielding Bottas/Antonelli at Mercedes-Benz.]

its the tires. the drivers you mentioned were driving different cars in their respective careers you cant just lump them together as if their problems were the same.albon problem has problem with super sensitive steering ,today car has problem with understeer ,oversteer ,tire wear ,oversensitive to temperature.

[Bill]

Remember Tsunoda saying Horner told him they wouldn't swap position if he was ahead of Max

Some people here that were saying Max finally got a teammate that was going to challenge him have gone awfully quiet now.

the championship is over just take it like a man and not dump you frustration on yuki,noone ever said that. everyone know max is the benchmark ,when yuki lost the seat he said he was relieved because maybe he will struggle against max.he also said he wanted to learn from him

[JordanMugen]

its the tires. the drivers you mentioned were driving different cars in their respective careers you cant just lump them together as if their problems were the same.albon problem has problem with super sensitive steering ,today car has problem with understeer ,oversteer ,tire wear ,oversensitive to temperature.

Do us Red Bull-Ford fans suppose the 2026 car will no longer have these troubles?

The Red Bull RB21 is certainly a tricky machine! Is it the "fault" of the engineering team or not really?

Time to regroup and just focus on scoring as many podiums as possible for the remainder of the 2025 season, while maximising the performance and widening the operational window for the 2026 Red Bull-Ford rocket?

Is the Ford RBPT engine likely to be competitive or indeed superior to Mercedes-Benz and others?

[erikejw]

This comes back to haunt them.

Red Bull Technical Director Pierre Wache has made clear statements about the team's philosophy regarding the operating window of their F1 cars, particularly for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. He emphasized that Red Bull prefers to have a narrow operating window with higher ultimate performance, rather than sacrificing speed for a wider, more forgiving setup. His reasoning is that a wider window generally means a slower car, and the team would rather focus on finding the right setup for each circuit:

“The overall potential decreases if you increase the window. If you look at other teams’ cars and how they’re positioned, they’re all insanely stiff. What you want is to produce the fastest car. But it’s not the case that a car is slow because the window in which it operates is small. What you want is to be in the right window for each circuit, so that you can anticipate that. Why would you want to extend the window and flatten the overall potential of a car? You want the fastest car compared to the others. I will not reduce the overall potential to make it easier operationally. You can reduce the potential to help drivers to use the car, but not to help engineers to use the car.”

[Paa]

This comes back to haunt them.

Red Bull Technical Director Pierre Wache has made clear statements about the team's philosophy regarding the operating window of their F1 cars, particularly for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. He emphasized that Red Bull prefers to have a narrow operating window with higher ultimate performance, rather than sacrificing speed for a wider, more forgiving setup. His reasoning is that a wider window generally means a slower car, and the team would rather focus on finding the right setup for each circuit:

“The overall potential decreases if you increase the window. If you look at other teams’ cars and how they’re positioned, they’re all insanely stiff. What you want is to produce the fastest car. But it’s not the case that a car is slow because the window in which it operates is small. What you want is to be in the right window for each circuit, so that you can anticipate that. Why would you want to extend the window and flatten the overall potential of a car? You want the fastest car compared to the others. I will not reduce the overall potential to make it easier operationally. You can reduce the potential to help drivers to use the car, but not to help engineers to use the car.”

Yeah, but generally being outside of the working window means an even slower car. (this is a response to Waché, not particularly you).
Building a narrow car is good on paper, but only works in practice if you have the means to keep it inside the window.
PW talks a lot about the former, but keeps forgetting about the latter.
Currently is only job half done, and I'm going to assume that the remaining half is trickier to achieve.

[Slahinki]

This comes back to haunt them.

Red Bull Technical Director Pierre Wache has made clear statements about the team's philosophy regarding the operating window of their F1 cars, particularly for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. He emphasized that Red Bull prefers to have a narrow operating window with higher ultimate performance, rather than sacrificing speed for a wider, more forgiving setup. His reasoning is that a wider window generally means a slower car, and the team would rather focus on finding the right setup for each circuit:

“The overall potential decreases if you increase the window. If you look at other teams’ cars and how they’re positioned, they’re all insanely stiff. What you want is to produce the fastest car. But it’s not the case that a car is slow because the window in which it operates is small. What you want is to be in the right window for each circuit, so that you can anticipate that. Why would you want to extend the window and flatten the overall potential of a car? You want the fastest car compared to the others. I will not reduce the overall potential to make it easier operationally. You can reduce the potential to help drivers to use the car, but not to help engineers to use the car.”

Doesn't work so great when others have a wider operating window, and still have higher overall potential.

[Ashwinv16]

This comes back to haunt them.

Red Bull Technical Director Pierre Wache has made clear statements about the team's philosophy regarding the operating window of their F1 cars, particularly for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. He emphasized that Red Bull prefers to have a narrow operating window with higher ultimate performance, rather than sacrificing speed for a wider, more forgiving setup. His reasoning is that a wider window generally means a slower car, and the team would rather focus on finding the right setup for each circuit:

“The overall potential decreases if you increase the window. If you look at other teams’ cars and how they’re positioned, they’re all insanely stiff. What you want is to produce the fastest car. But it’s not the case that a car is slow because the window in which it operates is small. What you want is to be in the right window for each circuit, so that you can anticipate that. Why would you want to extend the window and flatten the overall potential of a car? You want the fastest car compared to the others. I will not reduce the overall potential to make it easier operationally. You can reduce the potential to help drivers to use the car, but not to help engineers to use the car.”

Doesn't work so great when others have a wider operating window, and still have higher overall potential.

True Mclaren has such a wide window it let Alex Dunne drive it to P4 in fp1. It's said too be very rewarding Car to drive. I think there is a bigger issue that would have been noticed if Max continued. He would have finished behind Russell. The issue are creeping onto Max's car and I think Silverstone is about to show this.

[TeamKoolGreen]

So the car has a small operating window to begin with. Then it is dialed into an even smaller window for Max.

Sometimes I wonder if Christian Horner might want a fresh start with a new driver like George Russell. He's a more conventional driver and maybe they could become a 2 car team again.

He also gets rid of 2 problems when Jos and Marko leave with Max. He must have given this some thought. Horner must also be concerned with Max's commitment to F1 at this point in his life. He has a family now. He almost didn't care when he got taken out in the race. Max has won all there is to win 4x. George on the other hand would be full bore committed.