2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Squid]

Ferrari had to get rid of the barcode, and that was MUCH more subtle than that livery.

[RedNEO]

Are we back to the discussions of Mclaren changing the engine maker? Renault is not doing too well too upon in reability.
Come on guys it has been confirmed few times, you had an official interview where it was confirmed that Mclaren will continue with Honda, even Zack the more exceptical has confirmed it. This weekend even Alonso confirmed that Mclaren will be with honda next year and hinted he might be as well upon the results of next update.
If Mclaren was going to change would have done 1 month ago.
You are falling once again on articles to bring clicks to their websites specially on summer break, Benson has been wrong few times in the last couple of months in same matter.
It is time to move on and recognise that Honda is improving quiet drastically in comparation to last 2 years with this new engine, in 6 months are at same level as 2016 an engine developed over 2 seasons.
I wouldn't be surprise if Honda is at same level that Renault at the end of season if not earlier.

Where is this "confirmation" you speak of?

[Vasconia]

If a team like sauber refused free engines in exchange for paid ones then it doesn't take a genius to figure out why McLaren would be contemplating the same thing.

Small difference is that McLaren receives 100 million yearly, but I understand that they are down on price money and sponsorship, so maybe it's not even that bad to switch to Renault. 60bhp is a big step forward and a big step to close for Honda, especially considering that they are just on 2016 levels by now.

Didn't Alonso say at Baku that something behind the scenes made him happy?

If a change to Renault makes him happy he must be truly desperate to change.

[Redragon]

Are we back to the discussions of Mclaren changing the engine maker? Renault is not doing too well too upon in reability.
Come on guys it has been confirmed few times, you had an official interview where it was confirmed that Mclaren will continue with Honda, even Zack the more exceptical has confirmed it. This weekend even Alonso confirmed that Mclaren will be with honda next year and hinted he might be as well upon the results of next update.
If Mclaren was going to change would have done 1 month ago.
You are falling once again on articles to bring clicks to their websites specially on summer break, Benson has been wrong few times in the last couple of months in same matter.
It is time to move on and recognise that Honda is improving quiet drastically in comparation to last 2 years with this new engine, in 6 months are at same level as 2016 an engine developed over 2 seasons.
I wouldn't be surprise if Honda is at same level that Renault at the end of season if not earlier.

Where is this "confirmation" you speak of?

Austrian Gp there was an interview with Boullier, Hasewaga and Wolf. It was the intetview that stopped rumours with Mercedes deal.

Here os linkhttps://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/20 ... rence.html

And here you have an interview in Spanish to Alonso where he says at the end there are things happening behind doors that will improve and evolve and hopefully they are fighting for podiums next year https://as.com/motor/2017/07/29/formula ... 73795.html

Now confirmed to be spec 3 or some are calling spec 4 that Honda will bring to spa also He is hinting that might continue in Mclaren next year.

I am not like you where you said the deal with Mercedes was done and it will be announced by Silverstone and also there is not confirmation yet or you haven't provide an official link that says next year the use of engines are limit to 3.

I based my posts on facts or events published

[mclaren111]

Are we back to the discussions of Mclaren changing the engine maker? Renault is not doing too well too upon in reability.
Come on guys it has been confirmed few times, you had an official interview where it was confirmed that Mclaren will continue with Honda, even Zack the more exceptical has confirmed it. This weekend even Alonso confirmed that Mclaren will be with honda next year and hinted he might be as well upon the results of next update.
If Mclaren was going to change would have done 1 month ago.
You are falling once again on articles to bring clicks to their websites specially on summer break, Benson has been wrong few times in the last couple of months in same matter.
It is time to move on and recognise that Honda is improving quiet drastically in comparation to last 2 years with this new engine, in 6 months are at same level as 2016 an engine developed over 2 seasons.
I wouldn't be surprise if Honda is at same level that Renault at the end of season if not earlier.

Where is this "confirmation" you speak of?

Austrian Gp there was an interview with Boullier, Hasewaga and Wolf. It was the intetview that stopped rumours with Mercedes deal.

Here os linkhttps://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/20 ... rence.html

And here you have an interview in Spanish to Alonso where he says at the end there are things happening behind doors that will improve and evolve and hopefully they are fighting for podiums next year https://as.com/motor/2017/07/29/formula ... 73795.html

Now confirmed to be spec 3 or some are calling spec 4 that Honda will bring to spa also He is hinting that might continue in Mclaren next year.

I am not like you where you said the deal with Mercedes was done and it will be announced by Silverstone and also there is not confirmation yet or you haven't provide an official link that says next year the use of engines are limit to 3.

I based my posts on facts or events published

It is 3 PU's for next year:

F1 Fanatic:

2018 power unit rules changes

23.4 a) Unless he drives for more than one team (see 23.4(c) below), and subject to the additions described in b) and c) below, each driver may use no more than 3 engines (ICE), 3 motor generator units-heat (MGU-H), 3 turbochargers (TC), 2 energy stores (ES), 2 control electronics (CE) and 2 motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) during a Championship season.

With the consent of (and at the sole discretion of) the FIA, the numbers above will be increased by one for any driver using a power unit provided by a new power unit manufacturer (as defined in Appendix X) taking part in their first Championship season.

b) Should a driver use more than the numbers set in a) above of any one of the elements during a Championship season, a grid place penalty will be imposed upon him at the first Event during which each additional element is used. Penalties will be applied according to the following table and will be cumulative:

The first time an additional elements is used – Ten grid place penalty
The next time an additional elements is used – Five grid place penalty

Any of the six components will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

c) If a driver is replaced at any time during the Championship season his replacement will be deemed to be the original driver for the purposes of assessing power unit usage.

d) After consultation with the relevant power unit supplier the FIA will attach seals to each of the relevant components within the power unit prior to them being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.

Within two hours of the end of the post race parc fermé exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used power unit components in order to ensure that they cannot be run or dismantled between Events.

Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the power units are required. All such power units must remain within the team’s designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event.

e) If any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from the relevant components within the power unit after they have been used for the first time those parts may not be used again unless they were removed under FIA supervision.

[RedNEO]

Are we back to the discussions of Mclaren changing the engine maker? Renault is not doing too well too upon in reability.
Come on guys it has been confirmed few times, you had an official interview where it was confirmed that Mclaren will continue with Honda, even Zack the more exceptical has confirmed it. This weekend even Alonso confirmed that Mclaren will be with honda next year and hinted he might be as well upon the results of next update.
If Mclaren was going to change would have done 1 month ago.
You are falling once again on articles to bring clicks to their websites specially on summer break, Benson has been wrong few times in the last couple of months in same matter.
It is time to move on and recognise that Honda is improving quiet drastically in comparation to last 2 years with this new engine, in 6 months are at same level as 2016 an engine developed over 2 seasons.
I wouldn't be surprise if Honda is at same level that Renault at the end of season if not earlier.

Where is this "confirmation" you speak of?

Austrian Gp there was an interview with Boullier, Hasewaga and Wolf. It was the intetview that stopped rumours with Mercedes deal.

Here os linkhttps://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/20 ... rence.html

And here you have an interview in Spanish to Alonso where he says at the end there are things happening behind doors that will improve and evolve and hopefully they are fighting for podiums next year https://as.com/motor/2017/07/29/formula ... 73795.html

Now confirmed to be spec 3 or some are calling spec 4 that Honda will bring to spa also He is hinting that might continue in Mclaren next year.

I am not like you where you said the deal with Mercedes was done and it will be announced by Silverstone and also there is not confirmation yet or you haven't provide an official link that says next year the use of engines are limit to 3.

I based my posts on facts or events published

I see no confirmation anywhere in the links you posted.

Plus as mclaren111 pointed out and as I've already said previously 3 engines was confirmed for next year. ^Yes that's what confirmation actually looks like.

[Andres125sx]

...but it looks like Alonso is at war whit Honda.

May I ask the reason you got that feeling when he´s not criticized Honda in past GPs?

[Redragon]

Where is this "confirmation" you speak of?

Austrian Gp there was an interview with Boullier, Hasewaga and Wolf. It was the intetview that stopped rumours with Mercedes deal.

Here os linkhttps://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/20 ... rence.html

And here you have an interview in Spanish to Alonso where he says at the end there are things happening behind doors that will improve and evolve and hopefully they are fighting for podiums next year https://as.com/motor/2017/07/29/formula ... 73795.html

Now confirmed to be spec 3 or some are calling spec 4 that Honda will bring to spa also He is hinting that might continue in Mclaren next year.

I am not like you where you said the deal with Mercedes was done and it will be announced by Silverstone and also there is not confirmation yet or you haven't provide an official link that says next year the use of engines are limit to 3.

I based my posts on facts or events published

It is 3 PU's for next year:

F1 Fanatic:

2018 power unit rules changes

23.4 a) Unless he drives for more than one team (see 23.4(c) below), and subject to the additions described in b) and c) below, each driver may use no more than 3 engines (ICE), 3 motor generator units-heat (MGU-H), 3 turbochargers (TC), 2 energy stores (ES), 2 control electronics (CE) and 2 motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) during a Championship season.

With the consent of (and at the sole discretion of) the FIA, the numbers above will be increased by one for any driver using a power unit provided by a new power unit manufacturer (as defined in Appendix X) taking part in their first Championship season.

b) Should a driver use more than the numbers set in a) above of any one of the elements during a Championship season, a grid place penalty will be imposed upon him at the first Event during which each additional element is used. Penalties will be applied according to the following table and will be cumulative:

The first time an additional elements is used – Ten grid place penalty
The next time an additional elements is used – Five grid place penalty

Any of the six components will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

c) If a driver is replaced at any time during the Championship season his replacement will be deemed to be the original driver for the purposes of assessing power unit usage.

d) After consultation with the relevant power unit supplier the FIA will attach seals to each of the relevant components within the power unit prior to them being used for the first time at an Event in order to ensure that no significant moving parts can be rebuilt or replaced.

Within two hours of the end of the post race parc fermé exhaust blanking plates (with one 10mm diameter inspection hole per cylinder) and further seals will be applied to all used power unit components in order to ensure that they cannot be run or dismantled between Events.

Upon request to the FIA these additional seals will be removed after the start of initial scrutineering at the next Event at which the power units are required. All such power units must remain within the team’s designated garage area when not fitted to a car and may not be started at any time during an Event other than when fitted to a car eligible to participate in the Event.

e) If any of the FIA seals are damaged or removed from the relevant components within the power unit after they have been used for the first time those parts may not be used again unless they were removed under FIA supervision.

Yes but still challenged by the teams the 3 engines usage despite being on the regulations. So time to change as there is time for Mclaren to change engine despite being confirmed will not.
Same page for both sides.

[Redragon]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

[mclaren111]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

They have to take penalties if they want to race the new evo's.

Thus better to improve Spec 3 until Spec 4 is complete and race ready and reliable.

[Redragon]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

They have to take penalties if they want to race the new evo's.

Thus better to improve Spec 3 until Spec 4 is complete and race ready and reliable.

I don't think they care much about penalties, specially Honda who is the one paying

[nzjrs]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

Llando Norris just did 1:17.8, which is the same as Vandoorne's Q3 time. That makes me think they are testing some new PU bits today. https://twitter.com/F1/status/892704588851236865

[Redragon]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

Llando Norris just did 1:17.8, which is the same as Vandoorne's Q3 time. That makes me think they are testing some new PU bits today. https://twitter.com/F1/status/892704588851236865

So the rumours start to be published on the media http://www.marca.com/motor/formula1/201 ... b458f.html

[mclaren111]

As we speak the next evo of Honda engine has been tested, rumours said yesterday, probably the evo for Spa which will bring another 15hp and also is rumored that Honda is working in another evo by October that could bring around 30hp or more, but they are just rumours

Llando Norris just did 1:17.8, which is the same as Vandoorne's Q3 time. That makes me think they are testing some new PU bits today. https://twitter.com/F1/status/892704588851236865

So the rumours start to be published on the media http://www.marca.com/motor/formula1/201 ... b458f.html

Or Lando is as fast as his "Uncle" - the great Chuck Norris

[ZakB]

Norris will be in the car next year.