How many 15year old cars has George crashed in his time in F1? He made his debut in 2019 when cars weighed 743kg.“You’re going to have a greater impact if you’re going the same speed with a car that weights 800-odd-kgs or over 900kgs at the start of a race, compared to one 15 years ago when they were at 650kg.
Maybe there's a political lense with which to view this?chrisc90 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 20:52https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russ ... /10418269/
More odd comments coming from George's mouth...
How many 15year old cars has George crashed in his time in F1? He made his debut in 2019 when cars weighed 743kg.“You’re going to have a greater impact if you’re going the same speed with a car that weights 800-odd-kgs or over 900kgs at the start of a race, compared to one 15 years ago when they were at 650kg.
2019 743 kg
2020 746 kg
2021 752 kg
2022 795 kg
2023 796kg
Given that F1 cars have become substantially safer over the years, I think he really is talking out of his rear, again. What does he want? A extra 1kg left off the table to make a roll hoop stronger that will stop his head from being dragged across the ground because the 1kg lighter version wasn't safe enough.
Who knows. Could well be a possibility. I cant see it though. I'm not sure what the weight reportedly was for the W13, but even if it was at the minimum weight they were still well off given the other teams being overweight.
I think the latter point is needlessly inconsiderate. A driver can be concerned with safety so long as there are legitimate intentions behind the concern....I've long wondered why cars have blind spot monitors and F1 cars do not. To leave the Strolls of the world to their own devices in an F1 car is reckless.chrisc90 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 21:00Who knows. Could well be a possibility. I cant see it though. I'm not sure what the weight reportedly was for the W13, but even if it was at the minimum weight they were still well off given the other teams being overweight.
If safety is such a big concern for George, probably time he didn't race if he is that scared or concerned about safety. As every track worldwide displays. "Motorsport can be dangerous".
The very reason why the weight has increased in recent times is for safety. Maybe George needs to read through regulations and the reasons behind some of the changes. Halo and revised chassis crash tests mandated weight increase in the car. If George drives the previous generation cars that he is referring to, even once, he would quit F1 for how relatively unsafe those are in comparison to current cars.chrisc90 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 20:52https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russ ... /10418269/
More odd comments coming from George's mouth...
How many 15year old cars has George crashed in his time in F1? He made his debut in 2019 when cars weighed 743kg.“You’re going to have a greater impact if you’re going the same speed with a car that weights 800-odd-kgs or over 900kgs at the start of a race, compared to one 15 years ago when they were at 650kg.
2019 743 kg
2020 746 kg
2021 752 kg
2022 795 kg
2023 796kg
Given that F1 cars have become substantially safer over the years, I think he really is talking out of his rear, again. What does he want? A extra 1kg left off the table to make a roll hoop stronger that will stop his head from being dragged across the ground because the 1kg lighter version wasn't safe enough.
There could be a weight reduction by simply removing the front, rear, and side impact structures.
Cant really argue with physics. But would you rather hit a steel armco barrier in something like a caterham or westfield or a 44tonne artic lorry? The scale of weight vs how hard the crash hurts isnt relevant.the EDGE wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 21:39What George is stating is basic science
Force = mass x speed
With the exception of the lack of Halo, cars from 15 years ago were extremely safe, and this was proved by the numerous huge accidents that occurred, where nobody was harmed
I’ve always said what George has said, it’s a vicious circle, basically, the heavy the cars, the stronger you have to make them, and as most of the weight has come from the hybrid PU, most of the rest of the weight increase (Halo excluded) has been needed to account for this
NA engine cars did not fail in the way we have seen recently, in the crashes such as Zhou’s
George is saying that because they are heavier they get the worse the impact is if you crash them. IE his comparison to crashing a bus and a Smart car. Totally wrong on so many levels.mrluke wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:18I think you are making a strawman here.
George isn't saying scrap the safety devices, he's saying the cars now are too heavy.
Why can we work on getting them back down to 700kg without making them any less safe?
We've all said for a long time they are too big and too heavy.
Did you read the article?mrluke wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 22:18I think you are making a strawman here.
George isn't saying scrap the safety devices, he's saying the cars now are too heavy.
Why can we work on getting them back down to 700kg without making them any less safe?
We've all said for a long time they are too big and too heavy.
George argued that a heavier car is less safe.“You’re going to have a greater impact if you’re going the same speed with a car that weights 800-odd-kgs or over 900kgs at the start of a race, compared to one 15 years ago when they were at 650kg.