Thought we were racing in Monza for a second, it's crazy small.
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looks like a typical VCARB Monza rear wing - poor tyre life guaranteed especially given how RB21 eats tyres compared to others even when the wing level is similar.
We have seen this year that a small wing doesn't always mean bad tyre life. It is not that simple. It's about balance, where the laptime is generated, temps, etc.venkyhere wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025, 18:47looks like a typical VCARB Monza rear wing - poor tyre life guaranteed especially given how RB21 eats tyres compared to others even when the wing level is similar.
Does anyone know whether they are actually using the Austria++ floor that was brought as an 'update' to Silverstone, or whether they have reverted to an older floor ? Because the car looked like a badly setup Sauber in FP1.
Looking at the telemetry, they seem to be running similar engines modes, RB21 has a 5kmph advantage on the straights because of the low DF wing. Max's mediums had done 2 fast laps compared to the 3 of the rest, Norris also used DRS on a couple of laps, don't know if it was traffic or just simulations, I'd still give Norris the slight edge, LEC no 3 and PIA 4.
Agree ; but given the number of high load corners and RB21's inbuilt DNA of eating tyres at any circuit with 40+ temps, no matter what wing level ; going 'lowDF' where everyone else is at low-mid or even mid DF, it's reasonable to assume severe deg. Unless, the new floor is producing a tremendous amount of downforce compared to anyone else. Which is highly unlikely.Cassius wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025, 19:17We have seen this year that a small wing doesn't always mean bad tyre life. It is not that simple. It's about balance, where the laptime is generated, temps, etc.venkyhere wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025, 18:47looks like a typical VCARB Monza rear wing - poor tyre life guaranteed especially given how RB21 eats tyres compared to others even when the wing level is similar.
Does anyone know whether they are actually using the Austria++ floor that was brought as an 'update' to Silverstone, or whether they have reverted to an older floor ? Because the car looked like a badly setup Sauber in FP1.
My analysis of data tells me that Max's Redbull is going to severely struggle to finish in the top5 - whether Q or R ; because the FP2 times seem to come from higher engine mode than others. Ferrari/McLaren seem to be hiding a lot with engine modes in the long runs.euv2 wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025, 19:41Looking at the telemetry, they seem to be running similar engines modes, RB21 has a 5kmph advantage on the straights because of the low DF wing. Max's mediums had done 2 fast laps compared to the 3 of the rest, Norris also used DRS on a couple of laps, don't know if it was traffic or just simulations, I'd still give Norris the slight edge, LEC no 3 and PIA 4.
I was wrong about losing time in the high speed for the qualy sims, most of the lap time was lost in turns 6-7 around 0.4s.
Are you suggesting the RB21 nearly understeered clean off the circuit!
Not sure! Does Horner (if Horner is still TP) have other choices lined up?
People leaving. For whatever reason.ME4ME wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025, 22:07Horner saying they can tune the car to not give up so much time in turns 6 and 7.
Still think they'll be around 4 to 5 tenths away from pole with Verstappen behind the wheel. A further 5 tenths for whoever drives the 2nd car. It's shocking how poor Red Bulls development has been over the last 24 months. The car is a POS. Can't get my head around how the engineering team failed so miserably after so much success earlier in this regulation set.
If they can sort out qualy pace, we might have an interesting race. Sector 2 the biggest problem so far with lots of high speed understeer.