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[ScuderiaLeo]

I think they’ve would’ve said something by now if it was coming for Silverstone

From the driver's words after Austria it sounded like they weren't sure whether it would be ready in time, as in it may be if they managed to finish but may not be. I bet it'll be a very last minute decision to bring it or not, Silverstone is in Europe after all so it's not like they need to transport it three days before the weekend

[Sphere3758]

The more I read stuff like this, the more respect I have for Carlos for managing this and being so close to Charles

I’ve failed to identify anything impressive or special about Sainz as a Formula 1 driver

Well at least he had very good strategy sense.

People thinking he had good strategic sense always amuses me. If the entire goal of your race is to beat your team mate and you are behind them much more often than not, strategy is easy. You already know your teammate's potential strategies, they've all been discussed! All you do is try to throw a wrench in the plans.

The fact that he was so vocal about this made people think he was sharp strategically.

He has a limited skill set, could you think of a single race where he managed to pull off a one stop when Charles needed 2 ? So not really a lot of strategic possibilities for him anyway.

[Dee]

I’ve failed to identify anything impressive or special about Sainz as a Formula 1 driver

Well at least he had very good strategy sense.

People thinking he had good strategic sense always amuses me. If the entire goal of your race is to beat your team mate and you are behind them much more often than not, strategy is easy. You already know your teammate's potential strategies, they've all been discussed! All you do is try to throw a wrench in the plans.

The fact that he was so vocal about this made people think he was sharp strategically.

He has a limited skill set, could you think of a single race where he managed to pull off a one stop when Charles needed 2 ? So not really a lot of strategic possibilities for him anyway.

Sainz told Ferrari to go --- themselves on numerous occasions, saving his own race and Ferrari's points. He won races Charles should have won because he stood up for himself, he told Ferrari "to stop inventing" , he was more clued in to what was happening around him in the race than Charles ever was. I would contend that there is no evidence for your viewpoint.

Adding on to that, Carlos's win in Singapore was one of the best strategic wins you will ever see in F1, keeping Norris in his DRS to keep a faster car from overtaking both of them, I gladly clapped to his victory that day.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I can't believe Sainz isn't even on this team anymore yet somehow the Ferrari thread is still about Sainz vs Leclerc arguments.....

[DJ Downforce]

I can't believe Sainz isn't even on this team anymore yet somehow the Ferrari thread is still about Sainz vs Leclerc arguments.....

Uhhhh.. didn't you just do a think piece on him on the last page

[DJ Downforce]

I think one of the reasons Ham's race pace is off is because he can't seem to be consistent across the race distance. Too many laps where he has a bad sector and loses a lot of time. He seems more vulnerable to overheating his tyres

I agree. It's also unusual for Hamilton. It'll be interesting to see whether the amplitude reduces over time (suggesting that he's becoming more comfortable with the car) or whether it's a side effect of aging (and permanent).

I think the aging has affected his qualifying execution. For example he would've been p2 in Austria if he finished the lap cleanly. He would've got p2 a while ago with better execution.

I'm not convinced the race pace is an age issue: its a mix of new car and PU after 13 years, the insane compromises on this car and just the general need to get accustomed to a new car in the most sensitive era ever.

These tyres and cars are on a knife edge, out of the optimal operating window and you're dead. I'm convinced it's this killing the 2nd red bull drivers too.

I think if we still had testing then Ham would be on top of it by now - like in 2013. But alas we don't

[TeamKoolGreen]

Joe Sward said that Vassure is close to being out. Nobody from Ferrari has affirmed him or defended him through all of this

[MattLightBlue]

Joe Sward said that Vassure is close to being out. Nobody from Ferrari has affirmed him or defended him through all of this

Terruzzi and Allievi said during their last podcast that there is bad blood between Vigna and Vasseur since 18 months. If Vasseur goes out (as little signs indicate) I really hope that Leclerc jumps on the first offer he gets.

[Tiny73]

Joe Sward said that Vassure is close to being out. Nobody from Ferrari has affirmed him or defended him through all of this

In football (soccer) an endorsement of an under pressure manager is often followed by their dismissal. Acknowledging the rumours just gives them oxygen so there may not be anything to read into this. Or he’s getting fired of course.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Uhhhh.. didn't you just do a think piece on him on the last page

My intention wasn't to put down either driver but rather highlight why they're both good.

Some other people here are just blatantly taking shots at one of them.

[Fakepivot]

Joe Sward said that Vassure is close to being out. Nobody from Ferrari has affirmed him or defended him through all of this

Terruzzi and Allievi said during their last podcast that there is bad blood between Vigna and Vasseur since 18 months. If Vasseur goes out (as little signs indicate) I really hope that Leclerc jumps on the first offer he gets.

I think by 2027 we will see Charles in different colors, we could be wrong but I can't see him spend 10 plus years here, not when top brass making stupid choices.. sebastian will replace marko at red bull if that happens and max leaves for merc then I could see Charles go to red bull. Feel like at least redbull topbrass understands what it takes to Win championship..

[DGP123]

I could see Charles go to red bull. Feel like at least redbull topbrass understands what it takes to Win championship..

The Red Bull empire is crumbling, with Max the last pillar. They’ve been gutted with staff leaving, and likely more to follow. If Max is leaving, that tells you everything you need to know about that destination. It’s no longer desirable. Engine likely to be uncompetitive too. Just because they won titles at some point, guarantees nothing going forward.

If he were to leave, Leclerc should be looking solely at Aston Martin, where all the foundations and framework are being assembled for the next era of success. I think Russell may pip him to it though.

[dia6olo]

Joe Sward said that Vassure is close to being out. Nobody from Ferrari has affirmed him or defended him through all of this

Terruzzi and Allievi said during their last podcast that there is bad blood between Vigna and Vasseur since 18 months. If Vasseur goes out (as little signs indicate) I really hope that Leclerc jumps on the first offer he gets.

I think by 2027 we will see Charles in different colors, we could be wrong but I can't see him spend 10 plus years here, not when top brass making stupid choices.. sebastian will replace marko at red bull if that happens and max leaves for merc then I could see Charles go to red bull. Feel like at least redbull topbrass understands what it takes to Win championship..

I suspect that no matter what, come 2027 and well beyond, Charles will still be a Ferrari driver...

[Fakepivot]

Yea I too hope for that, but charles is 27 and he got what another 6 to 7 years peak power of youth? If ferrari keep re setting after 3 to 4 years it will only get harder for his ultimate dream. Also the way both driver spoke after last race they were more happier than usual? Any one felt that praising the team many times in the interview, etc.. well at least it's nice to see some public backing from driver, even tho CEO and president acting like they are mute..

[deadhead]

The earliest LEC would leave is 2027

I think they’ve would’ve said something by now if it was coming for Silverstone

From the driver's words after Austria it sounded like they weren't sure whether it would be ready in time, as in it may be if they managed to finish but may not be. I bet it'll be a very last minute decision to bring it or not, Silverstone is in Europe after all so it's not like they need to transport it three days before the weekend

Nugnes is reporting Spa for the suspension and then a new floor even which sounds far fetched but who knows.

Spa thing has been in circulation for a while now.