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[outer_bongolia]

Blackout

But the Renault is dog slow according to Kubica.

He is already talking of this being a "long season".

in Valencia maybe
Yesterday he was a second faster than Schumacher, Sutil or barichello in one of the race stints...
(but of course we don't now what kind of tires they used...)

Don't understand that question; my English is not so good...
In 2010, Renault is still Renault, not yet 'Genii'...

I'll just approach this from a logical point: Let's move this discussion to the Renault thread.

But, if I should approach from an artistic point ( ), I don't remember an ugly car which was fast enough to win a race. And Renault is still FUGLY..

[Raptor22]

And Ferrari and Renault.

I really enjoy pre-season speculation, by both fans and "journalists".
There is so much rubbish being thrown around by people, simply because they know a tiny bit more than someone else.


In particular I enjoy journalists trying to write technical reasons behind car concepts, which is always absolute garbage. Things like "bla bla.... channeling air along the nose, sealing off the nose with vortices."

If you use the word vortex, most people will believe what is said.

Let me pose you guys a question:

Why do you want to guide a vortex towards a particular region of the car? For example the side-pods or rad ducts as I think someone here mentioned.

And don't just mention the usual reasoning which is to seal the sides of the floor.

wait you forgot the bit about stalling rear wings with a flow control valve operated by the drivers knee as proposed by a PhD in Ground vehicle aerodynamics and works for an F1 team.

[JohnsonEvilTwin]

If the Renault is quicker than the Mercedes I will eat my hat.

Renault is not Renault Blackout. Renault is in fact 75% Genii capital.
Venture capital firms asset strip to MAKE MONEY.
We shall see come Bahrain....

[Raptor22]

well the best venture capitolist on the grid bought a team for a pound and sold of for several Million pounds...

No Asset stripping needed, just asset transfer at a higher value.

After last year, Renault'sF1 shar value must be low.

[JohnsonEvilTwin]

Brawn a venture capitalist? hahahaha

Shrewd he is yes, but a shark? No way! Genii are a venture capital firm, one thing that is paramount to venture capitalists is PROFIT. Why else would people invest their money or worse someone elses money in it?

Renault,(nee Genii) will not have the money to develop their car to the level of the top 4. This is my opinion as I dont know the team budgets for 2010. But I think come the end of the season you will see Im right.

And Blackout, Renault quicker on longer stints are they? Can you please show me the source as all I can see is Kubica doing shorter 15 lap stints to Schumachers Race sims. They(Renault) have done the miles but in nowhere near the same "conditions" as Mercedes Ferrari or McLaren so far as I can tell.

Hence why no one has spoken of them in the same breath as the top 4.

[axle]

Genii are interested in making all their businesses worth money...they can do that quite effectively if they use the power of advertising...and F1 is a very powerful advertising platform.

It not all about the cost of the team, it's about the oppertunities the team provide if they are managed and maintained in the right way.

[Blackout]

JohnsonEvilTwin

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7659&p=151536#p151536

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Blackout

Those figures do not correlate with the ones I had from autosport and F1fanatic.

Iam willing to cede that perhaps the above 2 sources had wrong info, but I dont know where your source is from?

The general consensus is that Renault are behind Sauber and Williams, not by much maybe .2 to .4
But the Renault is by no means as quick on longer runs as the Mercedes as from my sources it says the Renault appears to "go missing" 1/3 of the way into every stint.
The reason? Tyres.
Now they arent the only ones, but I think to end this we can only safely say that we will both know come race day in Bahrain.

[Blackout]

The Greek website Msfree.

I'm talking about the present, and now, Renault is not far from Mercedes, maybe ahead, maybe behind...
But in Bahrain, they will both apply great changes to their car (Enstone's wind tunnel had stopped for 4 weeks due to renovations / Mercedes was running the old diffuser)
Wait and see

Interesting interview with Kubica :
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7659&p=151561#p151561

[luca]

New interview: AutoSport | Mercedes targets victory in Bahrain

[...]
"We have an update for Bahrain. We decided not to bring it to Barcelona but leave it until the last moment. We've learnt to assess and run pieces without testing them. It's crucial when you have seasons without testing, as you have to bring upgrades to races during the year.
In Barcelona we had little bits and pieces, but the major upgrade will be introduced in Bahrain."

[horse]

New interview: AutoSport | Mercedes targets victory in Bahrain

[...]
"We have an update for Bahrain. We decided not to bring it to Barcelona but leave it until the last moment. We've learnt to assess and run pieces without testing them. It's crucial when you have seasons without testing, as you have to bring upgrades to races during the year.
In Barcelona we had little bits and pieces, but the major upgrade will be introduced in Bahrain."

Same story

I think that on our high fuel runs and our race runs, when we get the car right, we are competitive. It's just a little tricky to get the car right.

It's the BGP001 all over again.

[BorisTheBlade]

I am in no way a fan of him, but that sound like a perfect car for Schu: Nearly undriveable for others but perfect for him.

[marcush.]

what does make me scratch my head is Ross Brawn and Schumachers statement he (MS) did not yet attempt an out and out performance lap....both explicitely talking of schumacher ,not Rosberg ,is this just by chance or is there some more behind that statement?

[cobart]

And Ferrari and Renault.

I really enjoy pre-season speculation, by both fans and "journalists".
There is so much rubbish being thrown around by people, simply because they know a tiny bit more than someone else.


In particular I enjoy journalists trying to write technical reasons behind car concepts, which is always absolute garbage. Things like "bla bla.... channeling air along the nose, sealing off the nose with vortices."

If you use the word vortex, most people will believe what is said.

Let me pose you guys a question:

Why do you want to guide a vortex towards a particular region of the car? For example the side-pods or rad ducts as I think someone here mentioned.

And don't just mention the usual reasoning which is to seal the sides of the floor.

Have you read some amusing theories about McLaren secret aero solutions?:)

[djones]

what does make me scratch my head is Ross Brawn and Schumachers statement he (MS) did not yet attempt an out and out performance lap....both explicitely talking of schumacher ,not Rosberg ,is this just by chance or is there some more behind that statement?

I think its probably pretty simple. Rosberg is a really good driver, but MS is MS.

He is number one in the team despite any PR crap and one of, if not the greatest driver to ever be on the face of the earth.

Yeah he is getting on a bit but he is still borderline god like and will no doubt be faster than NR in pretty much any situation. Its only natural to compare your cars performance to its best driver.

There is also a relationship between MS and RB that NR will never get within 5%. It may simply be MS is just always the first thought in his mind when comparing things or making statements.