2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Spoutnik]

Still impressed by the fact this car managed to win 3 races

[AR3-GP]

Still impressed by the fact this car managed to win 3 races

There was a point in time where Merc was equal in the development race. They lost out in the latest round of upgrades and it has set them back. Your upgrades have to work or you get left behind. If Mclaren and Ferrari removed their updates from after the summer break, then it would be like before.

[Hammerfist]

Why are they doing experiments on lewis?

This is the problem with Lewis. He had a poor qualifying and didn't like the setup. What was he expecting? They would have decided to redo the setup to help him in the race. Not doing anything would have probably given him a few places better in the end result, best case scenario. Would he have been happy?

A committed driver would work closely with the team to get things working and be part of the responsibility if they didn't. Simply disagreeing with the team in the aftermath is not a good relfection of a senior driver in the team. This is the same team that gave him tools to win 6 championships and 2 potential winning opportunities. Kicking the team when it's down and lost because he is not winning is definitely not in a good taste.

lol a “committed driver”? I’m not sure that can fly honestly. Lewis should have zero input from now on until the end of the season. He will no longer be a Mercedes driver as of 2025. I think it’s quite ridiculous that they are still portraying him as having any real influence on the car setup to be honest. I would expect them to start tuning him out from the development of the car and turn their focus on protecting their intellectual property. Consequently his performances have actually regressed since the summer break. Which tells me they are tuning him out. Lewis is basically an outsider at Merc right now. Hard to be committed when you’re an outsider.

[j_ste]

Why are they doing experiments on lewis?

Because their focus is 2025 and it’s better to have the leaving driver experiment

[mkay]

Why did they change Lewis' setup between FP2 and FP3 when he was very happy with the balance on Friday?

[sport777]

in my understanding it is no longer a matter of the chassis, it is a matter of tires, Merc cannot make it work in some periods of the grand prix, I consider Merc's car to be one of the fastest, I think pirelli is the main problem of Merc, since when the car gets into working order window, she is one of the fastest, if not the fastest

[Luscion]

in my understanding it is no longer a matter of the chassis, it is a matter of tires, Merc cannot make it work in some periods of the grand prix, I consider Merc's car to be one of the fastest, I think pirelli is the main problem of Merc, since when the car gets into working order window, she is one of the fastest, if not the fastest

part of it definitely seems to be Pirelli, Lewis has been complaining about how its the most sensitive tires he's ever experienced in his time in f1 since earlier in the year, now Russell is complaining about it saying its infuriating and that Pirelli dont know what theyre doing.

[AR3-GP]

part of it definitely seems to be Pirelli, Lewis has been complaining about how its the most sensitive tires he's ever experienced since earlier in the year, now Russell is complaining about it saying its infuriating and Pirelli dont know what theyre doing.

Then how come Mclaren can ride on any tire on any condition? Teams have to stop making excuses.

[sport777]

part of it definitely seems to be Pirelli, Lewis has been complaining about how its the most sensitive tires he's ever experienced since earlier in the year, now Russell is complaining about it saying its infuriating and Pirelli dont know what theyre doing.

Then how come Mclaren can ride on any tire on any condition? Teams have to stop making excuses.

not exactly, I remember several times Norris put a lot of stress on the tires and drove fast right away and his tires ran out quite quickly, a clear example of the British Grand Prix, but there were other cases

[Spoutnik]

Still impressed by the fact this car managed to win 3 races

There was a point in time where Merc was equal in the development race. They lost out in the latest round of upgrades and it has set them back. Your upgrades have to work or you get left behind. If Mclaren and Ferrari removed their updates from after the summer break, then it would be like before.

Yes thats my point, at their peak they were equal (I believe the McL was still faster at Silverstone or even Spa tbh) but for most of the season they've been 4th and thats not a few races which change this fact

[AR3-GP]

Still impressed by the fact this car managed to win 3 races

There was a point in time where Merc was equal in the development race. They lost out in the latest round of upgrades and it has set them back. Your upgrades have to work or you get left behind. If Mclaren and Ferrari removed their updates from after the summer break, then it would be like before.

Yes thats my point, at their peak they were equal (I believe the McL was still faster at Silverstone or even Spa tbh) but for most of the season they've been 4th and thats not a few races which change this fact

Oh right I see your point. Yes the jump from Saudi to Canada was insane.

[Spoutnik]

There was a point in time where Merc was equal in the development race. They lost out in the latest round of upgrades and it has set them back. Your upgrades have to work or you get left behind. If Mclaren and Ferrari removed their updates from after the summer break, then it would be like before.

Yes thats my point, at their peak they were equal (I believe the McL was still faster at Silverstone or even Spa tbh) but for most of the season they've been 4th and thats not a few races which change this fact

Oh right I see your point. Yes the jump from Saudi to Canada was insane.

I believe they can still win one or two races in cold condition (?) with the track suiting the car during the rest of the season but that's it, 4th team

[sport777]

Yes thats my point, at their peak they were equal (I believe the McL was still faster at Silverstone or even Spa tbh) but for most of the season they've been 4th and thats not a few races which change this fact

Oh right I see your point. Yes the jump from Saudi to Canada was insane.

I believe they can still win one or two races in cold condition (?) with the track suiting the car during the rest of the season but that's it, 4th team

I don’t consider Merc 4 a team, their car is fast, they still have some problems with understanding, but I think their car can be the fastest, and if you take into account their time in the pipe, it has increased, they can improve a lot, both in Monza and Baku in the second half of the race they were the fastest

[Spoutnik]

Oh right I see your point. Yes the jump from Saudi to Canada was insane.

I believe they can still win one or two races in cold condition (?) with the track suiting the car during the rest of the season but that's it, 4th team

I don’t consider Merc 4 a team, their car is fast, they still have some problems with understanding, but I think their car can be the fastest, and if you take into account their time in the pipe, it has increased, they can improve a lot, both in Monza and Baku in the second half of the race they were the fastest

They were the fastest at Monza on the 2nd part ? Not sure
But ofc the car is fast on low fuel and Hamilton has a good race pace usually
Nevertheless they're starting too far back, and you cannot rely only on the last stint
The top speed issue isn't really solved too

[sport777]

I believe they can still win one or two races in cold condition (?) with the track suiting the car during the rest of the season but that's it, 4th team

I don’t consider Merc 4 a team, their car is fast, they still have some problems with understanding, but I think their car can be the fastest, and if you take into account their time in the pipe, it has increased, they can improve a lot, both in Monza and Baku in the second half of the race they were the fastest

They were the fastest at Monza on the 2nd part ? Not sure
But ofc the car is fast on low fuel and Hamilton has a good race pace usually
Nevertheless they're starting too far back, and you cannot rely only on the last stint
The top speed issue isn't really solved too

I think they have no problems on the straights, the only problem is overheating of the tires in qualifying and with a full tank, you can see the stint of the last segment in Monza of Hamilton and Russell, they were one of the fastest, Russell almost caught up with Verstappen at the end of the race, and between they had a decent blowjob