Red Bull RB16B

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RZS10
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Probably not just for cost cap reasons, maybe also along the lines of a "crumple zone" ... if those smaller parts can fall off easily the forces and damage on the main part of the wing would be reduced, i'd guess.

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After the cascade elements got outlawed, yes, I do think FW are now much easier to repair. With the simpler endplates a more modular approach was possible. All reason for the costs of developing, repairing, upgrading are now less.

With that also your options to affect the air flow, but ok.

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of course it is repairable . need a bit of epoxy ,fibre and a fixture .
I'm actually surprised they do not pre fabricate complete repair sections ready to be glued on cut back accident structure ,this,would be super efficient and absolutely precise with only minor
weight penalty .
Surprising thing is where and how it broke off , as there is mandatory kevlar fibre in that endplate which does not easily separate or break ?
my guess is they deliberately design for breakoff to avoid harm to tyre and other structure ?

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I think they do just that. Therefore they wanted the piece back. To prepare it as a quick repair part for a next wing damage.

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Anyone know why the pullrod itself does not have a droplet shaped sleeve? Of course turning it makes it longer/shorter, but a sleeve would not strike me as impossible.
But just suppose it weren't hypothetical.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
30 Jun 2021, 19:10
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5H0e6nWUAM ... name=large
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Awesome perspective.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
30 Jun 2021, 19:10
Shark Teeth
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5H0e6nWUAM ... name=large
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Nice photo!
Very interesting how they are shaping the outer edge of the diffuser, it almost looks like a bell-mouth (which would be good for airflow); I just need to work out whether that is to allow a sideways flow into the diffuser - potentially taking advantage of tyre squirt turbulence, or allow easier extraction of the tyre squirt turbulence by the rear hub aero detailing?

I wonder what others are doing in that area?
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I never spotted this vane under the crash structure.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
30 Jun 2021, 19:10
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complex 3d shape manufacturing in all sorts of materials to a very high ptecision is the big advance in production and fabrication ,apart from parametric 3d Cad of course .
So you can go for those marginal gains of complex 3d shapes because you can !

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Anyone seen in Perez is stil running old diffuser? The gap to Max is still big, even more so considering it is on a 1 minute lap.

Also surprised that they are not running aero rakes behind diffuser to test changed tyre squirt with the prototype tyres. A stronger side wall should change the movement of the side walls (as Pirelli also said) and thus the tyre squirt going into the diffuser.
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That is probably the reason of the flowvis on Valterri’s diffusor. Max ran a low fuel C5 to Prototype back to back run (pitstop in between). Likely they judge the “feel” is most important for the effect the new tire has on the car.

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Stu wrote:
01 Jul 2021, 07:53
MtthsMlw wrote:
30 Jun 2021, 19:10
Shark Teeth
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5H0e6nWUAM ... name=large
via @NicolasF1i
Nice photo!
Very interesting how they are shaping the outer edge of the diffuser, it almost looks like a bell-mouth (which would be good for airflow); I just need to work out whether that is to allow a sideways flow into the diffuser - potentially taking advantage of tyre squirt turbulence, or allow easier extraction of the tyre squirt turbulence by the rear hub aero detailing?

I wonder what others are doing in that area?
The air coming off the diffuser edge and tire squirt collide raising the static pressure behind the tire. Higher static pressure behind the tire causes lower pressure difference between leading and trailing edge. This weakens tire squirt.

Wheel alignment is important when it comes to aero because the wheels are big and the alignment can change the angle by as much as 25mm at either extreme. The strakes, endplate and outer section of the front wing affect airflow to the tire. Red Bull are the best team at aero because they knew this since 2019.

They made their front wing outboard loaded, the only team to use that configuration since the 2019 front wings were introduced.

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Now that they have the rear end sorted, they have a really nicely balanced car.
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godlameroso wrote:
02 Jul 2021, 14:55
Stu wrote:
01 Jul 2021, 07:53
MtthsMlw wrote:
30 Jun 2021, 19:10
Shark Teeth
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5H0e6nWUAM ... name=large
via @NicolasF1i
Nice photo!
Very interesting how they are shaping the outer edge of the diffuser, it almost looks like a bell-mouth (which would be good for airflow); I just need to work out whether that is to allow a sideways flow into the diffuser - potentially taking advantage of tyre squirt turbulence, or allow easier extraction of the tyre squirt turbulence by the rear hub aero detailing?

I wonder what others are doing in that area?
The air coming off the diffuser edge and tire squirt collide raising the static pressure behind the tire. Higher static pressure behind the tire causes lower pressure difference between leading and trailing edge. This weakens tire squirt.

Wheel alignment is important when it comes to aero because the wheels are big and the alignment can change the angle by as much as 25mm at either extreme. The strakes, endplate and outer section of the front wing affect airflow to the tire. Red Bull are the best team at aero because they knew this since 2019.

They made their front wing outboard loaded, the only team to use that configuration since the 2019 front wings were introduced.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4j_r35XMAI ... ame=medium

Now that they have the rear end sorted, they have a really nicely balanced car.
What is the actual difference between one wing and the other (VER vs. PER)? I don't see it.