2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

Now its the right time for Ferrari to try again and poach Pierre Wache.

Vasseur is probably on the phone as we type this

[SB15]

It looks more likely that Ferrari will get Horner by any means necessary. That is an opportunity that they’re not letting to slip by.

[JPower]

Imagine going after someone who is accused of sexual misconduct and who has now taken a team from no1 to no4, yes I think ferrari top brass are that dumb, if he is hired to replace fred I won't be surprised.. lets see if both driver put there foot down and stand there ground of what they have said in the media or it was all just pr bs..

Imagine going after someone who lead a team from nothing to comprehensively outperforming Ferrari over the past 20 years.

That's the selling point. Not that it will happen, but I can almost guarantee Elkann is reaching out to him.

Thinking the drivers are going go rogue or anything similar is hilarious at best.

Horner's biggest accomplishment was convincing Adrian Newey to come to them and letting Newey set up the technical organization to his liking. Without that, Horner+Red Bull never sees a fraction of the success they did over the past twenty years.

But Horner will not be able to play that magic card twice, so it's utterly pointless to imagine what Horner alone can bring to Ferrari.

Horners's biggest accomplishment is being team principal during 6 constructor's and 8 driver's titles and everything associated with keeping the team pointed in the right direction during that timeframe. I'm sorry but that's undeniable and important experience.

[El_KaPpa]

Horner's inability to keep Max from leaving was the reason for his sudden sacking lol.

[Seanspeed]

Imagine going after someone who lead a team from nothing to comprehensively outperforming Ferrari over the past 20 years.

That's the selling point. Not that it will happen, but I can almost guarantee Elkann is reaching out to him.

Thinking the drivers are going go rogue or anything similar is hilarious at best.

Horner's biggest accomplishment was convincing Adrian Newey to come to them and letting Newey set up the technical organization to his liking. Without that, Horner+Red Bull never sees a fraction of the success they did over the past twenty years.

But Horner will not be able to play that magic card twice, so it's utterly pointless to imagine what Horner alone can bring to Ferrari.

Horners's biggest accomplishment is being team principal during 6 constructor's and 8 driver's titles and everything associated with keeping the team pointed in the right direction during that timeframe. I'm sorry but that's undeniable and important experience.

Again, without Newey, none of that success would have happened. Horner was not the main pillar propping up Red Bull. That's why after he started disregarding Newey, leaving to Newey's exit, Red Bull started to decline. And now if it weren't for Max's brilliance and the still remaining remnants of Newey's influence, the team would likely look like some mediocre organization in shambles. That's what Horner's leadership looks like sans such a key figure.

I'm quite confident plenty of TP's could have been brought in and been very successful in place of Horner after like 2010 or so. Horner's actual part in that continued success is extremely questionable. It would be the height of folly to assume that Horner himself was the 'X factor' for Red Bull's sustained success and that he could bring that same degree of success without having Newey there to make him look good.

[balex]

Horner's biggest accomplishment was convincing Adrian Newey to come to them and letting Newey set up the technical organization to his liking. Without that, Horner+Red Bull never sees a fraction of the success they did over the past twenty years.

But Horner will not be able to play that magic card twice, so it's utterly pointless to imagine what Horner alone can bring to Ferrari.

Horners's biggest accomplishment is being team principal during 6 constructor's and 8 driver's titles and everything associated with keeping the team pointed in the right direction during that timeframe. I'm sorry but that's undeniable and important experience.

Again, without Newey, none of that success would have happened. Horner was not the main pillar propping up Red Bull. That's why after he started disregarding Newey, leaving to Newey's exit, Red Bull started to decline. And now if it weren't for Max's brilliance and the still remaining remnants of Newey's influence, the team would likely look like some mediocre organization in shambles. That's what Horner's leadership looks like sans such a key figure.

I'm quite confident plenty of TP's could have been brought in and been very successful in place of Horner after like 2010 or so. Horner's actual part in that continued success is extremely questionable. It would be the height of folly to assume that Horner himself was the 'X factor' for Red Bull's sustained success and that he could bring that same degree of success without having Newey there to make him look good.

Oh god is it not enough to only spout this identical nonsense in the RB team thread? Give it a rest already.

[ScuderiaLeo]

It looks more likely that Ferrari will get Horner by any means necessary. That is an opportunity that they’re not letting to slip by.

That's what people said about Newey too.

The reality is most staff Ferrari is trying to get have more to offer Ferrari than Ferrari does to them. Working for Ferrari means being in Italy a lot and Italian culture. Why would they move their entire lives south when there are so many U.K based teams they could go to instead?

Not saying it's impossible but I don't see what's in it for Horner. And I don't see how hiring a new TP will magically fix all of Ferrari's problems.

[Seanspeed]

Horners's biggest accomplishment is being team principal during 6 constructor's and 8 driver's titles and everything associated with keeping the team pointed in the right direction during that timeframe. I'm sorry but that's undeniable and important experience.

Again, without Newey, none of that success would have happened. Horner was not the main pillar propping up Red Bull. That's why after he started disregarding Newey, leaving to Newey's exit, Red Bull started to decline. And now if it weren't for Max's brilliance and the still remaining remnants of Newey's influence, the team would likely look like some mediocre organization in shambles. That's what Horner's leadership looks like sans such a key figure.

I'm quite confident plenty of TP's could have been brought in and been very successful in place of Horner after like 2010 or so. Horner's actual part in that continued success is extremely questionable. It would be the height of folly to assume that Horner himself was the 'X factor' for Red Bull's sustained success and that he could bring that same degree of success without having Newey there to make him look good.

Oh god is it not enough to only spout this identical nonsense in the RB team thread? Give it a rest already.

Sorry for talking about relevant things in relevant topics. smh As a Ferrari fan, it's kind of particularly important to me.

Simply saying it's 'nonsense' and nothing else is just a lame and lazy way to try and dismiss somebody's opinion. I feel like I brought up decent supporting arguments for why I feel this way.

But by all means, tell me why you think Horner would have been just as successful without Newey.

[AeroDynamic]

Ferrari doesn’t need Christian Horner. The TP just needs to be good at keeping the team motivated, navigating the political environment of f1, and making shrewd decisions around structure and who is leading what within the team.

Vasseur is competent enough in those areas. What Ferrari really needs is to gut other good people in Red bull’s where the team is actually weak: pitwall people like Hannah, Wheatley, and race engineers, maybe some from the technical team.

Ferrari’s weaknesses are strategy, race engineering. Their technical team isn’t weak but it’s still got room to strengthen given they clearly make mistakes. In ‘2026, under Serra, we may or may not find that he is competent enough to keep the team from going down the wrong path much. Vasseur may well get Pierre Wache and Loic Serra together.

Alpine need Horner.

[Fakepivot]

Ferrari’s weaknesses are strategy, race engineering.

can you make a list since 2023 about this strategy problem?? like legit once, not every small disagreement on the radio between pitwall and driver. like legit strategical error.


while you are at it, on the side make one for merc, McLaren, and also redbull..

let see who has most..

if you can't make this list, don't parrot this like every person on the internet.
Ferrari don't any more errors than their rivals. currently Ferrari not winning mainly just lies in the car once they get a car that win they will win end of story..

[deadhead]

It looks more likely that Ferrari will get Horner by any means necessary. That is an opportunity that they’re not letting to slip by.

If the “top brass” had any idea what they’re doing but that had been on the questionable side.

Letting Newey and Horner slip by in the spam of 12 months? Major fail.

[dans79]

The power steering keeps being mentioned more and more

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/expla ... /10740571/

Imo, the press is just grasping at straws and the drivers and other members of the team who are regularly required to interact with the press are just making random dubious statements to cover up issues.

I've spent the last several watching practices, qualifying and races from Hamilton's onboard feed. And The difference between merc & Ferrari is striking. At Ferrari the race engineer is more like a co-driver, constantly recommending setting changes. To me that suggest the car has a very very narrow operating window, and there are just to many things for the driver alone to keep an eye on. If i had to guess they don't have one underlying issue, they have 3 or 4 issues, that constantly need to be managed, and balanced depending on the nature of the track and track conditions.

[AeroDynamic]

Ferrari’s weaknesses are strategy, race engineering.

can you make a list since 2023 about this strategy problem?? like legit once, not every small disagreement on the radio between pitwall and driver. like legit strategical error.


while you are at it, on the side make one for merc, McLaren, and also redbull..

let see who has most..

if you can't make this list, don't parrot this like every person on the internet.
Ferrari don't any more errors than their rivals. currently Ferrari not winning mainly just lies in the car once they get a car that win they will win end of story..

I’m definitely not motivated to start going back and compiling lists to prove to you in behalf of the internet that we don’t imagine these sentiments. Since it’s your suggestion and standard you demand to validate things, feel free to compile those lists ur self and start there.

Do you want to address the actual topic? Do you think Horner is what’s needed to improve Ferrari or not? Do you think he wouldn’t make any personnel changes to the pitwall and strategy areas responsible for race weekend execution?

[dans79]

Do you think Horner is what’s needed to improve Ferrari or not?

No way, his ego is long over do for retirement!

[Fakepivot]

Ferrari’s weaknesses are strategy, race engineering.

can you make a list since 2023 about this strategy problem?? like legit once, not every small disagreement on the radio between pitwall and driver. like legit strategical error.


while you are at it, on the side make one for merc, McLaren, and also redbull..

let see who has most..

if you can't make this list, don't parrot this like every person on the internet.
Ferrari don't any more errors than their rivals. currently Ferrari not winning mainly just lies in the car once they get a car that win they will win end of story..

I’m definitely not motivated to start going back and compiling lists to prove to you in behalf of the internet that we don’t imagine these sentiments. Since it’s your suggestion and standard you demand to validate things, feel free to compile those lists ur self and start there.

Do you want to address the actual topic? Do you think Horner is what’s needed to improve Ferrari or not? Do you think he wouldn’t make any personnel changes to the pitwall and strategy areas responsible for race weekend execution?

I don’t see how Horner can achieve short terms success.. he will have his own vision he has will make personnel changes and by the time he gets anything rolling we will have similar coordinated media attacks while he sleeps before a gp weekend.. so i was listening to some YouTube reaction video, martin brundle and other said the same thing after that redbull original owner died (can’t spell his name on mobile to lazy google) lot of power struggle occurred, but when he was there he had final say etc.. from what I’ve gathered mainly for online conversations, he knew to trust the team and does Elkann give you that energy I mean that redbull owner dint hire a tp from other team he dint hire jean tod from Ferrari at the time, no he got Horner , like did anyone think he could take them to 8 title victory? Redbull built there own legacy with there own people coz it had an Owner that probably understood what it took to win, Ferrari seems to be always in search for some hero a saviour.. same goes for many many fans online frothing at the news that Horner will join and suddenly take this team to victory.. I just don’t see it..