2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

[Spoutnik]

The only observable dynamic here is the insistence of Hamilton fans to make him out to be a victim with confirmation bias. Lando and Charles defended reasonably but no more. I recall earlier in the race Leclerc pulled a super late defensive move on Verstappen on the back straight, did you complain about that?

Read my comments again. I've only commented on Norris. I believe he doesn't like Hamilton. Neither does Verstappen. Norris is a loyal friend to Verstappen. I've seen it on track but also by his comments off track. How Norris interacts with Hamilton in a post race as well. Your not even arguing my point. You're implying I am trying to turn Hamilton into a victim.

I would even say most drivers aren't friends with Hamilton as he is hard to relate to due to him being older and hanging around Hollywood types. Norris and Verstappen really don't like him though. I understand why Verstappen sees Hamilton as a foe but I can't see Norris seeing him like that other than his close relationship with Verstappen

You've observed what fits into your narrative and gone with that, making Hamilton out to be a victim (not uncommon) and Ver/Nor in some kind of "friendly cahoots". These guys are professional racers first and foremost, friendship is secondary. All indications from the sprint were that Merc and McL had similar pace and that Max was out of their league. F1 is all about picking your battles wisely and not wasting tyre life battling someone you aren't going to be able to beat. These past couple of years that driver (who isn't worth battling because he's too fast) has been Max. Lando made the best decision for him based on the information he had about the race, he's not there to make the best decisions on behalf of Lewis (or Max).

Nevermind the fact that his fight vs Lewis was not particularly noteworthy at all. Standard pass. Lewis lost a bit of time? Cry me a river, it happens.

Yes defending on the inside would've ruin his tyres...
Stay in Max DRS zone for 4 laps because he defended too softly did not ?...

He still has a lot to learn to win a race

[chrisc90]

Oh dear

[ringo]

Lando's disdain for Lewis is not because he is Max's freind. People forget Lando is driving a Mclaren. The last great driver at Mclaren is Hamilton. I am sure inside the team there are employees who still look up to Hamilton and could even be comparing Norris to Hamilton. Norris has 100 races with Mclaren and no wins. Hamilton got wins as a rookie. Lando's career will always be in Hamilton's shadow and he will always be compared. The same goes for George Russel but not as much. These young guys aren't even the fastest guy in their country because of Hamilton.
Jackie Stewart also showed similar negative vibes. He was always jealous and always comparing himself to Hamilton.

Anyhow this was a good race. Mercedes could have come closer to Max, but I think Max had things under control. He would have simply gone faster if Mercedes pit Lewis right after him. He had brake issues, but he was able to keep a certain gap then rest, then increase it again for both Lando and Lewis.
Hamilton's race pace is very dangerous and unsettling for Max, and I am looking forward to more races like these. Mercedes just need a car within 2.5 tenths of the RB19 to ruffle Max's feathers. They were not going to win, but it's at least good to see Max screaming and hollering at GP when he gets told the gap behind to Lewis.

My star of the race is Yuki. He has been doubted so much, and yet he shows all the time that he is a quality driver. He destroy riciardo. And I think he needs a go in the redbull. Perez did better than expected, but Yuki showed real grit by getting his points in a slow car.

Ferrari are a disaster. They keep giving Sainz more points than Leclerc for no good reason.

[Cs98]

Oh dear

On both cars?

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Possible disqualifications for ham/Leclerc. Technical breaches usually are

[ringo]

So zero points for Hamilton in 2 races. Hand Perez the P2 trophy already.

The FIA are harsh. You give them a sprint weekend where they cannot do practice to predict the car behavior, then you penalize the teams for plank wear. They should consider this.

Mercedes have a new floor, and Ferrari have a bouncy car. The cars are riding on a bumpy track as well.

Would be a travesty if ferrari and mercedes do not appeal on these grounds.

[chrisc90]

What can you realistically appeal though? Your car either confines to the technical requirements or it doesn’t.

It is harsh - but guess that’s the ins and outs of racing.

[Cs98]

So zero points for Hamilton in 2 races. Hand Perez the P2 trophy already.

The FIA are harsh. You give them a sprint weekend where they cannot do practice to predict the car behavior, then you penalize the teams for plank wear. They should consider this.

Mercedes have a new floor, and Ferrari have a bouncy car. The cars are riding on a bumpy track as well.

Would be a travesty if ferrari and mercedes do not appeal on these grounds.

The FIA are harsh if they don't allow them to run an illegal floor/set-up? What's harsh about that?

[Henri]

Lando's disdain for Lewis is not because he is Max's freind. People forget Lando is driving a Mclaren. The last great driver at Mclaren is Hamilton. I am sure inside the team there are employees who still look up to Hamilton and could even be comparing Norris to Hamilton. Norris has 100 races with Mclaren and no wins. Hamilton got wins as a rookie. Lando's career will always be in Hamilton's shadow and he will always be compared. The same goes for George Russel but not as much. These young guys aren't even the fastest guy in their country because of Hamilton.
Jackie Stewart also showed similar negative vibes. He was always jealous and always comparing himself to Hamilton.

Anyhow this was a good race. Mercedes could have come closer to Max, but I think Max had things under control. He would have simply gone faster if Mercedes pit Lewis right after him. He had brake issues, but he was able to keep a certain gap then rest, then increase it again for both Lando and Lewis.
Hamilton's race pace is very dangerous and unsettling for Max, and I am looking forward to more races like these. Mercedes just need a car within 2.5 tenths of the RB19 to ruffle Max's feathers. They were not going to win, but it's at least good to see Max screaming and hollering at GP when he gets told the gap behind to Lewis.

My star of the race is Yuki. He has been doubted so much, and yet he shows all the time that he is a quality driver. He destroy riciardo. And I think he needs a go in the redbull. Perez did better than expected, but Yuki showed real grit by getting his points in a slow car.

Ferrari are a disaster. They keep giving Sainz more points than Leclerc for no good reason.

Lewis was on it today mate.. imagine Lewis in the second rb19 easy 15+ victory.

[Cs98]

Instead of providing sarcastic retorts to me reminding you of what my opinion is and calling you out on playing the strawman, make an argument proving Norris is neutral to Hamilton

That isn't how this works. You don't get to claim someone you don't know dislikes another person (based on absolutely zero factual evidence) and then claim the onus is on someone else to prove they are in fact neutral. Get real.

I've already provided evidence. Here's more...Made comments that anyone could win in the Mercedes. 'He's had it easy and complains when not fighting at the front...7 WDC don't mean much when considering his car...' Closed off in podium cool down room only to Hamilton. Is usually very outgoing to everyone else

It is infact onus on you to make an argument against mine if you so choose to say I'm wrong. Otherwise choose not to respond

https://racingnews365.com/norris-a-plea ... -hamilton
Case dismissed.

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[Cs98]

No Jo Bauer just must not like Hamilton. Car 16 is a decoy so it does not look suspicious. This is the only logical explanation.

I would laugh but we both know Bauer and the FIA will receive a lot of grief if this ends up in a DQ.

[ringo]

So zero points for Hamilton in 2 races. Hand Perez the P2 trophy already.

The FIA are harsh. You give them a sprint weekend where they cannot do practice to predict the car behavior, then you penalize the teams for plank wear. They should consider this.

Mercedes have a new floor, and Ferrari have a bouncy car. The cars are riding on a bumpy track as well.

Would be a travesty if ferrari and mercedes do not appeal on these grounds.

The FIA are harsh if they don't allow them to run an illegal floor/set-up? What's harsh about that?

It's harsh because it's about mercedes, obviously if RB did it no less than removal from the championship would be adequate.

Well I do not think Newey and team would make that mistake. The ground control on the RB19 is so insane that floor could probably skim graphene layers from the asphalt and not touch the ground.

It's clear that the teams could not account for the rideheight issues that may have evnetualized on heavy fuel and even for the bumps over the race distance. In mercedes case, a new floor, and for ferrari their bouncing.

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The FIA are harsh if they don't allow them to run an illegal floor/set-up? What's harsh about that?

It's harsh because it's about mercedes, obviously if RB did it no less than removal from the championship would be adequate.

Well I do not think Newey and team would make that mistake. The ground control on the RB19 is so insane that floor could probably skim graphene layers from the asphalt and not touch the ground.

It's clear that the teams could not account for the rideheight issues that may have evnetualized on heavy fuel and even for the bumps over the race distance. In mercedes case, a new floor, and for ferrari their bouncing.

Did you not see the rb19 this weekend? They ran it about a mile off the ground obviously giving up performance to avoid things like this...

[ringo]

Instead of providing sarcastic retorts to me reminding you of what my opinion is and calling you out on playing the strawman, make an argument proving Norris is neutral to Hamilton

That isn't how this works. You don't get to claim someone you don't know dislikes another person (based on absolutely zero factual evidence) and then claim the onus is on someone else to prove they are in fact neutral. Get real.

I've already provided evidence. Here's more...Made comments that anyone could win in the Mercedes. 'He's had it easy and complains when not fighting at the front...7 WDC don't mean much when considering his car...' Closed off in podium cool down room only to Hamilton. Is usually very outgoing to everyone else

It is infact onus on you to make an argument against mine if you so choose to say I'm wrong. Otherwise choose not to respond

Remember Russia 2021, where he lost to Lewis in the wet? Lando still gets nightmares from that race. He had a win in hand but decided to stay out on slicks. Hamilton passed him for the win. Lando deserved that win until he ignored his team and lost it. There is enough evidence to suggest that Lando is bitter.