2022 Alpine F1 Team

[max_speed]

Alonso had obvious problems in the car, he didnt use 8th gear, and Ocon was closer to Hamilton than Hamilton was to Leclerc/Max.

I think that the Alpine is now the 4th faster car and around 0.3s slower than merc, but they need to fix some little problems.

Give 2-3 races and his optimism will disappear. 2 years just focussing on 2022 regulations as a manufacturer and still way off, shows just how incomptetent Alpine aka Renault is.

[Kaklaman]

Do we know if the team is brining any upgrades for the Saudi GP?

[diffuser]

Alonso had gearbox issues.

he did never use 8th gear on the straights, you can see this on the onboards.

He was doing lift and coast to conserve the tires. More speed means more brakes to slow the car down.

[Bisonas]

What about the trap speeds?

That they are high could indicate either good engine, or low drag. I have not really seen any journalist singing the praises of the Renault PU. Worrying. Also, Alonso might have had a problem as he was not using 8th gear?

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race.

In quali Alonso had 3ird highest speed at the finish line and 3ird highest at the speed trap. So I would think they are good DF wise. The really sucked in S2. Maybe they're losing DF in corners. Maybe the flow into the tunnels is obscured in corners or the car leaning is causing an issue. We can't tell any of that from here. They're gonna have to figure things out.

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race, because they where running with more DF. They did that because their powerful engine allows them to do so. There is always a compromise between DF, top speed and cornering speed. You always have to choose the balance that suits you. A powerful engine allows you to run more DF in the car where is needed. I guess the new ground effect cars can cope ok with high speed corners because of they way the DF is generated now, but it seems in this era DF is even more important now for the slow and mid corners also. The ground effect is less obvious with less speed, the cars are bigger and heavier so running more DF overall in the car will help a lot with low and mid cornering speed and most crucial with tire degradation.

My guess is, Ferrari did just that, and maybe Alpine underestimated a bit what a problematic and not smooth sector2 could mean for tire degradation.

Ofc this is only one theory out of many regarding what caused the Tyre degradation.

[Bisonas]

Alonso had gearbox issues.

he did never use 8th gear on the straights, you can see this on the onboards.

He was doing lift and coast to conserve the tires. More speed means more brakes to slow the car down.

Alonso didn't use 8th gear, and Ocon was using 8th Gear only with DRS open.
Alonso didn't had any instruction to lift and coast in the first 20 laps even if he did it some times but he knew that the first few laps where really bad for the tires and told so to his engineer. So he may had lift and coast on his own, but not using 8th gear for the whole race i think is down to other things. it was like his engine mode did't allow 8th gear at all or something. Really weird if you see his onboard.

Ocon did a lot of lift and coast when he was instructed, but it was due to brakes temperatures rising and not tire degradation. At some point his engineer was almost begging him to lift and coast in order to bring down brake temperatures. I re watched the first 20 laps of both Alonso and Ocon from onboard and skipping through the race afterwards, just to see if i missed something that the engineers said or the drivers said.

[AR3-GP]

What about the trap speeds?

That they are high could indicate either good engine, or low drag. I have not really seen any journalist singing the praises of the Renault PU. Worrying. Also, Alonso might have had a problem as he was not using 8th gear?

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race.

In quali Alonso had 3ird highest speed at the finish line and 3ird highest at the speed trap. So I would think they are good DF wise. The really sucked in S2. Maybe they're losing DF in corners. Maybe the flow into the tunnels is obscured in corners or the car leaning is causing an issue. We can't tell any of that from here. They're gonna have to figure things out.

High trap speed means low drag (which is usually correlated with low downforce because you have to be absolutely brilliant to have high downforce and no drag). Weak S2 is obviously low downforce. The bad tire wear is also likely due to low downforce. I don't want to come across disrespectful, but doesn't this add up (isn't it obvious that bad sector 2 means no downforce, and less drag)?

RB are matching Alpine trap speeds, while being massively quicker in S2. RB is more aero efficient.

[diffuser]

That they are high could indicate either good engine, or low drag. I have not really seen any journalist singing the praises of the Renault PU. Worrying. Also, Alonso might have had a problem as he was not using 8th gear?

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race.

In quali Alonso had 3ird highest speed at the finish line and 3ird highest at the speed trap. So I would think they are good DF wise. The really sucked in S2. Maybe they're losing DF in corners. Maybe the flow into the tunnels is obscured in corners or the car leaning is causing an issue. We can't tell any of that from here. They're gonna have to figure things out.

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race, because they where running with more DF. They did that because their powerful engine allows them to do so. There is always a compromise between DF, top speed and cornering speed. You always have to choose the balance that suits you. A powerful engine allows you to run more DF in the car where is needed. I guess the new ground effect cars can cope ok with high speed corners because of they way the DF is generated now, but it seems in this era DF is even more important now for the slow and mid corners also. The ground effect is less obvious with less speed, the cars are bigger and heavier so running more DF overall in the car will help a lot with low and mid cornering speed and most crucial with tire degradation.

My guess is, Ferrari did just that, and maybe Alpine underestimated a bit what a problematic and not smooth sector2 could mean for tire degradation.

Ofc this is only one theory out of many regarding what caused the Tyre degradation.

Enough DF is needed get high speed at the finish line(low Df will delay the time the driver can get on full throttle). So low DF cars I typically look for low on the speed at the finish line then higher up the charts at the speed trap. The speed difference was inline with Max and Perez. So I think they were running RBR DF levels. I will add that the speed at the finish line was rather high at Bahrain, so my theory might not lend itself as well to Bahrain. It might have been rather easy to acheive the right amount of speed to go full throttle.

I pointed out the Ferrari drivers as a statement that top speed can be useless information, really just one piece of he performance puzzle. I don't know how easy it is to pull the drag or DF off these cars. It's not as easy as just reducing the rear wing. Probablly need to adjust ride height. So we'll see how well they do at tracks with longer straights like Monza. Right now, they are the favourits for Monaco.

I doudt that Alpine underestimated it. They just couldn't get it to work for whatever reason.

FINISH LINE KM/H
11 S. PEREZ 291.4
1 M. VERSTAPPEN 290.7
14 F. ALONSO 290.7
31 E. OCON 289.7
47 M. SCHUMACHER 289.4
6 N. LATIFI 289.3
16 C. LECLERC 289.2
55 C. SAINZ 288.7
23 A. ALBON 288.6
20 K. MAGNUSSEN 288.5
10 P. GASLY 288.3
24 G. ZHOU 288.0
22 Y. TSUNODA 287.9
4 L. NORRIS 287.5
77 V. BOTTAS 287.4
44 L. HAMILTON 286.3
63 G. RUSSELL 286.1
18 L. STROLL 284.6
27 N. HULKENBERG 284.3
3 D. RICCIARDO 283.9


SPEED TRAP KM/H
1 11 S. PEREZ 323.2
2 1 M. VERSTAPPEN 322.9
3 14 F. ALONSO 321.5
4 31 E. OCON 320.4
5 6 N. LATIFI 319.4
6 47 M. SCHUMACHER 318.4
7 20 K. MAGNUSSEN 318.2
8 22 Y. TSUNODA 318.1
9 10 P. GASLY 317.3
10 23 A. ALBON 316.7
11 16 C. LECLERC 316.6
12 55 C. SAINZ 315.9
13 4 L. NORRIS 315.7
14 77 V. BOTTAS 315.5
15 44 L. HAMILTON 315.4
16 24 G. ZHOU 315.1
17 63 G. RUSSELL 314.0
18 3 D. RICCIARDO 311.6
19 18 L. STROLL 311.5
20 27 N. HULKENBERG 310.0

[Andres125sx]

Alonso had gearbox issues.

he did never use 8th gear on the straights, you can see this on the onboards.

He was doing lift and coast to conserve the tires. More speed means more brakes to slow the car down.

Lift and coast is not done to conserve tires, but to save fuel or brakes. To conserve tires they take care on fast corners, specially on long fast corners where tire temperature increases dramatically

I think it must be related to weight transfer. In braking, even if they reach same Gs, weight is distributed between the 4 wheels thanks to the looooong wheelbase (depending on the corner, about 45% of brake power is applied to rear tires wich shows how uniform is the weight distribution even on brakings), so tires does not suffer too much.

But on corners, since cars are extremelly narrow compared to the lenght, weight transfer is much higher, so the outer wheels carry a much higher percentage of car weight and take more abuse.

[diffuser]

Alonso had gearbox issues.

he did never use 8th gear on the straights, you can see this on the onboards.

He was doing lift and coast to conserve the tires. More speed means more brakes to slow the car down.

Lift and coast is not done to conserve tires, but to save fuel or brakes. To conserve tires they take care on fast corners, specially on long fast corners where tire temperature increases dramatically

I think it must be related to weight transfer. In braking, even if they reach same Gs, weight is distributed between the 4 wheels thanks to the looooong wheelbase (depending on the corner, about 45% of brake power is applied to rear tires wich shows how uniform is the weight distribution even on brakings), so tires does not suffer too much.

But on corners, since cars are extremelly narrow compared to the lenght, weight transfer is much higher, so the outer wheels carry a much higher percentage of car weight and take more abuse.

Yeah, to me it looked like he was doing lift and coast. Now why I don't know. I can tell you that the couple of times I checked after he came out on Fresh tires, he'd dial up 8th gear down the straights and hit 310+ speeds. Then after 4 o 5 laps , he'd be back to topping out at 290+KPH. I'd have to double check to really be sure though.

[Bisonas]

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race.

In quali Alonso had 3ird highest speed at the finish line and 3ird highest at the speed trap. So I would think they are good DF wise. The really sucked in S2. Maybe they're losing DF in corners. Maybe the flow into the tunnels is obscured in corners or the car leaning is causing an issue. We can't tell any of that from here. They're gonna have to figure things out.

Saints & LeClerc had the lowest speed traps of the race, because they where running with more DF. They did that because their powerful engine allows them to do so. There is always a compromise between DF, top speed and cornering speed. You always have to choose the balance that suits you. A powerful engine allows you to run more DF in the car where is needed. I guess the new ground effect cars can cope ok with high speed corners because of they way the DF is generated now, but it seems in this era DF is even more important now for the slow and mid corners also. The ground effect is less obvious with less speed, the cars are bigger and heavier so running more DF overall in the car will help a lot with low and mid cornering speed and most crucial with tire degradation.

My guess is, Ferrari did just that, and maybe Alpine underestimated a bit what a problematic and not smooth sector2 could mean for tire degradation.

Ofc this is only one theory out of many regarding what caused the Tyre degradation.

Enough DF is needed get high speed at the finish line(low Df will delay the time the driver can get on full throttle). So low DF cars I typically look for low on the speed at the finish line then higher up the charts at the speed trap. The speed difference was inline with Max and Perez. So I think they were running RBR DF levels. I will add that the speed at the finish line was rather high at Bahrain, so my theory might not lend itself as well to Bahrain. It might have been rather easy to acheive the right amount of speed to go full throttle.

I pointed out the Ferrari drivers as a statement that top speed can be useless information, really just one piece of he performance puzzle. I don't know how easy it is to pull the drag or DF off these cars. It's not as easy as just reducing the rear wing. Probablly need to adjust ride height. So we'll see how well they do at tracks with longer straights like Monza. Right now, they are the favourits for Monaco.

I doudt that Alpine underestimated it. They just couldn't get it to work for whatever reason.

FINISH LINE KM/H
11 S. PEREZ 291.4     
1 M. VERSTAPPEN 290.7
14 F. ALONSO 290.7
31 E. OCON 289.7
47 M. SCHUMACHER 289.4
6 N. LATIFI 289.3
16 C. LECLERC 289.2
55 C. SAINZ 288.7
23 A. ALBON 288.6
20 K. MAGNUSSEN 288.5
10 P. GASLY 288.3
24 G. ZHOU 288.0
22 Y. TSUNODA 287.9
4 L. NORRIS 287.5
77 V. BOTTAS 287.4
44 L. HAMILTON 286.3
63 G. RUSSELL 286.1
18 L. STROLL 284.6
27 N. HULKENBERG 284.3
3 D. RICCIARDO 283.9


SPEED TRAP KM/H
1 11 S. PEREZ 323.2                          
2 1 M. VERSTAPPEN 322.9                 
3 14 F. ALONSO 321.5                       
4 31 E. OCON 320.4                          
5 6 N. LATIFI 319.4                         
6 47 M. SCHUMACHER 318.4            
7 20 K. MAGNUSSEN 318.2              
8 22 Y. TSUNODA 318.1                  
9 10 P. GASLY 317.3                       
10 23 A. ALBON 316.7                    
11 16 C. LECLERC 316.6
12 55 C. SAINZ 315.9
13 4 L. NORRIS 315.7
14 77 V. BOTTAS 315.5
15 44 L. HAMILTON 315.4
16 24 G. ZHOU 315.1
17 63 G. RUSSELL 314.0
18 3 D. RICCIARDO 311.6
19 18 L. STROLL 311.5
20 27 N. HULKENBERG 310.0

The acceleration out of turn 14 until the finish line, takes a lot into account. DF is only one of them and usually other things (other than pure DF) are more important. Traction, engine power and mapping for me are more important and if you see the speed on FL, the delta between all drivers is 7.5KM/h with most of them being within a delta of 4MPH.

After the finish line though, until the speed trap, the drag you are carrying is starting to play a bigger role relatively to all the other things. Yes all things are important but after one point some things are more important. The delta on top speeds between the drivers is 13.2 KM/h

So lets over simplify things, and say..
More DF brings more drag in the straights which brings lower top speed, but brings a better S2 in Bahrain and better tire management in the race.

Less DF brings less drag in the straights which brings higher top speed, but brings a bad S2 in Bahrain and a lot of tire degradation.

Versta 32.2
Perez 31.8
Alonso 30.8
Ocon 30.7
Tsunoda 30.2
Latifi 30.1
Mag 29.7
Ham 29.1
Schum 29.0
Gasly 29.0
Norris 28.2
Albon 28.1
Bottas 28.1
Russell 27.9
Leclerc 27.4
Sainz 27.2
Ricciardo 27.2
Zhou 27.1
Stroll 26.9
Hulk 25.7

those are the highest gainers from FL to ST. In my eyes who is on top either was running lower DF than the others, or they had a really strong PU. I would use S2 times in the race, to determine who had low DF or had a really good PU.

As much i want Alpine to have a really good PU which i believe it has, but its not fully optimized yet, i think Alpine was running lower DF compared to other middlefielders which gave her top speed but made S2 a struggle and tire degradation almost unmanageable.

This is just a theory ofc. Not a fact.

[Alonsismo]

and what about overweight?
how much does Alpine A522 weight?

[Redragon]

https://youtu.be/WnX7sbWukkw
Anyone here speaking spanish???

I am happy, I am happy as we didn't know where we were.
Surprise to be both fighting for Q3
Now is time to push new parts and developrment on next races
To close the gap to the liders that it is a bit more of 1 sec in qualy
I felt confortable during the 3 Q runs, the last one no so happy
But the weekend has been in general good
And tomorrow the degradation of the Tyres is the clue
We are going to have to be careful with the planning and strategy
As it is an incognita as no body has done the 52 laps that there are tomorrow on race
And also what kind of Tyres you choose would be important as there are going to be different strategies
And let's see who gets the right choice and strategy


More or less he says that

https://youtu.be/t097xfUaygg

And this?

She asks "How did you see the car on the race?

Lobato who is first (and he is not great always too emotional, he plays the knowlegable of F1 but doesn't know much technical stuff)
It was complicated race, the car we knew was complicated to drive and with the full tank even more over all the laps of the race, some mistakes and the rythm is not the same as the ones in front. Great news that both had points

De La Rosa
The feeling I do have is the Qualy was better than the race pace, and he sees that this car it is difficult to drive
He thinks that Fernando was doing great qualy with the difficult car Fernando had and on race you can't continue doing so well over 57 laps when the car is overstering a lot. A lot degradation that wouldn't allow him even to be in front of his team mate. Positive points great speed and hopefully Alpine improves the car so it is more drivebable.

Third talker.
You can cover the problems on Saturday or Qualy with new tyres but you can not hide on a race over 57 laps and full fuel. Even if they balance well the car he feels is lacking rythm. If the objective is being 4th team, the car is ok but if you are talking about top teams the car is not at that level.


Then the three speaks of the importance of stability on a team and they recognise have been a lot of changes until recently. They need to grow and create stability from now on. Because it is a problem the ones were developing and leaders last year, now are not anymore. And many changes on the technical side many starting on summer or last winter.

That's more or less the translation. They talk too much with emotion and fustration because they see Fernando as god. And mainly you can feel they blame the team for not giving a winner car to Fernando.

[diffuser]

and what about overweight?
how much does Alpine A522 weight?

No idea

[Redragon]

and what about overweight?
how much does Alpine A522 weight?

No idea

During testing there were rumours that Alpine was the lightest of all. But they were rumours

[Redragon]

I am guessing he is refering to Haas and Alfa Romeo?
https://the-race.com/formula-1/similar- ... uspicious/