German GP 2010 - Hockenheimring

[myurr]

i'm getting depressed while watching those pics... that track was amazing... nevermind that it was dull sometimes, it was a true test for the cars...
i liked it alot!

it was dull on TV ,yes ...but standing at the fence and those missiles blasting past you at unbelievable speed ..I still get goosebumps remembering it..

I always thought it was a pretty good race circuit even on TV - seeing cars set up for the straights struggling to slow down for chicanes and then sliding all over the place through the stadium.

[marcush.]

I lived there not even 2km away ..as a boy... I have no words for the new section ...but had only a single race participation on the old GPtrack...

[Mysticf1]

I really do miss the old circuit, it was one of those tracks that tested the cars in a totally different way to the others, the polar opposite to monaco with monza and spa somewhere in between the two.

Barrichello's first career victory there is one of those races i will never forget.

[godlameroso]

All I know, is that Alonso pitted before Massa, if Alonso is so much faster than Massa, then why didn't they hold up Massa in the pits, and why couldn't Alonso come out in front. It's because Alonso isn't faster than Massa, not by a long shot. Massa may get more easily discouraged if he knows he can't get a good position in the race, and just cruise. But when he knows he has a shot, he takes it, and does very very well.

Alonso has skill but he's a wimp at defending his position, he's the only one I know to my recollection that has been passed by drivers in inferior equipment. Canada 2007 he got owned by Takuma Sato in a Super Aguri(remember them?), then in Valencia this year he got passed by Kamui Kobayashi, in a circuit where passing is very improbable.

He also got passed by both Mclarens in Canada, and they weren't even faster cars, maybe Alonso is not good at coming out of slow speed corners, if you look at the replays when there was still TC on the cars you can see the TC light until he gets out of the corner. This year you see him spin the rears a lot out of slow corners.

[ringo]

I agree, Masa is just as fast as Alonso when he's 100%.
This year he's not the same. His race pace is there though, it's probably a tenth of Alonso, but it's close enough that Alonso has never been able to run him down and pass him.
I hope he's planning to kick Alonso's ass next year. Same like he did with kimi, lay low one year study the teammate and blow him away the following year.

I wont underestimate Alonso's attack power or his speed and car control though. Masa was kimi's equal, so we should consider that when we judge Alonso's performance agianst him.

[timbo]

I hope he's planning to kick Alonso's ass next year. Same like he did with kimi, lay low one year study the teammate and blow him away the following year.

IMO that would depend on Pirelli.
If they would produce grippier fronts he'd be doing fine.
This year often times I see he has same problem — at the hard braking just before turn-in point he momentarily loses balance. It happened several times at Germany, we can see that on his Q lap in Valencia etc.
It looks as if he stressed his fronts too much, but his steering correction looks more like oversteering moment.

PS maybe he is used to having more front break bias?

[ringo]

He said himself that in the past, he only cared about the fronts having grip. He left the rears to do what they want. So basically, he is insensitive to the rears, and that a little over-steer is what he is used to.
Now he can't enjoy that because the rears, which he often ignores, are not coming up to temperature and that is very critical this year. So i guess he has a bad habit he needs to kick, and needs to be awarene of all 4 tyres. He seems to be learning; he was struggling on the hards, but got up to speed soon in the race.
This is why i think next year, he may grow as a driver and be more adaptable. He never striked me as the kind of driver to adapt much. He spins and twitches unless the car is how he wants it. Hopefully the Pirellis are softer and Massa can get back on his 2008 form.

[Pedro]

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[vall]

Alonso has skill but he's a wimp at defending his position, he's the only one I know to my recollection that has been passed by drivers in inferior equipment. Canada 2007 he got owned by Takuma Sato in a Super Aguri(remember them?), then in Valencia this year he got passed by Kamui Kobayashi, in a circuit where passing is very improbable.

He also got passed by both Mclarens in Canada, and they weren't even faster cars, maybe Alonso is not good at coming out of slow speed corners, if you look at the replays when there was still TC on the cars you can see the TC light until he gets out of the corner. This year you see him spin the rears a lot out of slow corners.

You certainly do not give the whole information and try to manipulate. In Canada 07 and Valencia 10, the guys who passed him were much faster than him at the time: 2.5sec in Canada and good 4 sec in Valencia. What could have he done?

As for Canada 10 in both cases he was slowed down by cars ahead.

[Goran2812]

vall don't even try to defend Alonso... that kind of behavior is not accepted here!
they don't give a damn about things like his car beeing slower or traffic ahead!
But I do agree that he seems to have some miniscule problems on corner exits!

[godlameroso]

I didn't intend to deceive anyone, perhaps you are right, and the circumstances didn't play into his hands, but you don't see this happening to other top tier drivers. Kubica Hamilton and Webber are extremely hard to pass regardless of the difference in speed. In Silverstone Massa got passed by Vettel without much drama, I just find it odd that someone like Massa, can't get passed by someone of Alonso's "caliber". Plus we also see Alonso getting dusted by "inferior" drivers in inferior machines from time to time.

[forty-two]

I think Ferrari's stance is surprisingly defiant.

They seem now to be blaming the rule, and forgetting the fact that it IS a rule which they broke. If the rule is right or not is a different question, the fact remains that they broke it and need to pay the penalty.

Unless of course they know something we don't and are confident that their old pal Jean Todt will bend to their will??

[timbo]

Hopefully the Pirellis are softer and Massa can get back on his 2008 form.

Yes, and there were some signs that Pirelli may want to create softer tyres that would last less.

[andrew]

Unless of course they know something we don't and are confident that their old pal Jean Todt will bend to their will??

The Jean Todt thing is getting pretty old. Firstly the guy is a professional and acts as such. Secondly, Ferrari have said at length that they would no accept any favours from the FIA. Thirdly, due to the previous regime's shenanigans, the public eye is really focused on the FIA and Jean Todt. As a result they now have to act in a manner befitting of a governing body.

It's more likely that Ferrari can afford top lawyers and currently have them disecting the reg's and reading it's entrails.

[ecapox]

Actually, the first thing that Todt did as president of the FIA is remove himself from the WMSC meetings. So, he wont be making ANY decision when the WMSC meets to determine Ferrari's fate.