2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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AR3-GP
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Tsunoda being "close" as some would like to imagine has come with the great expense of the car being nowhere. He's not close either. One could point to a number of reasons for why this is usually where Tsunoda qualified, and that Max was the outlier with whatever he was doing in the car in Q1 which handicapped him more than usual. Tsunoda said the balance was good. Max said it's understeering. Don't you see the problem here? When Max was happier with the balance he was fighting for poles. When Tsunoda is "happy", they almost got a double Q1 knockout. The people fantasizing over the closeness of this gap miss the forest from the trees.

Forget about Tsunoda and look at the big picture.
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The big picture is that the car is f****** slow and was outqualified by a rookie in a Sauber in a straight fight. The closeness of Tsunoda is more or less irrelevant even though it’s better that he was close than miles away. Perez qualified p16 last year and was over 8 tenths off of Max in Q1. Factually speaking the second driver is closer than at many points over the last 12 months but most critical is that the car is terrible. IIRC they always seem to have massive understeer here, ever since 2020, before the ground effect era. Perhaps they simply have not found a good setup for this track, idk. Not good for the present and the “nothing works as expected” comments is not good for the future.

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continuum16 wrote:
02 Aug 2025, 18:34
The big picture is that the car is f****** slow and was outqualified by a rookie in a Sauber in a straight fight. The closeness of Tsunoda is more or less irrelevant even though it’s better that he was close than miles away. Perez qualified p16 last year and was over 8 tenths off of Max in Q1. Factually speaking the second driver is closer than at many points over the last 12 months but most critical is that the car is terrible. IIRC they always seem to have massive understeer here, ever since 2020, before the ground effect era. Perhaps they simply have not found a good setup for this track, idk. Not good for the present and the “nothing works as expected” comments is not good for the future.

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Even the RB19 had to compromise the qualy setup for race pace and was beaten for pole. Redbulls philosophy these regs has been to compromise qualy for better race pace until MCL showed up and did both things well. RBR has been designing their cars with these setup rules in mind, they thought it was not possible to balance the car to be perfect in race and qualy.

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Now the main objective is to beat Leclerc and Russell in the overall championship. Even that will be difficult with this inferior car.