2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

[Mogster]

Smooth but still on the limit.

He throws the car in to most corners and then catches it, hence on the limit at every corner and getting the maximum... reminds me of how Schumacher used to drive in wet track

He seems to be changing line hunting for traction on the corner exits and then finding it. Brundle commented how you could hear the Ferraris wheelspinning halfway up the straights.

[Restomaniac]

Anyway......Russell now in P11. Amazing job.

Ferrari PU’s in positions 10, 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20. For that to happen even in levelling weather like that surely confirms what everyone thought last weekend. The Ferrari PU has had its ‘trick’ nerfed by that 2nd sensor.

Already last year Haas and Alfa were bad cars. Only Williams was worse in the standings. Some people seem to forget that, it seems.
Today's results surely don't tell anything about Ferrari's weak PU. If there is anything leveling out power, it's wet conditions. Also keep in mind that Haas uses the same wind tunnel as Ferrari. So they have correlation issues as well.

Ok you keep thinking the Ferrari PU isn’t nerfed by that 2nd second sensor.

[Gr1ff]

Watching Hamilton build up his lap time through each session was a joy to watch. For me it looked like he was at the start of each session going 2 seconds off the ultimate laptime then building it lap after lap. Getting into a rhythm and where to place the car and when I mean place the car I mean to the nearest cm.

Max is undoubtedly similar in talent and will get to Hamiltons level in the next 5 years. In the dry I would call outright speed 50:50 even now. Over a race distance I would put all my money on Lewis. Can't wait to see them go at it tomorrow, evertime we get a chance to see them something happens so fingers crossed.

[SmallSoldier]

2021, so. they will have a difficult year next year (again) trying to bolt a PU that is quite different to a chassis designed for a Renault. In history, McLaren isn't the best at engine swaps...

If that’s based on their change from Honda to Renault in 2018, the issues with the MCL33 weren’t related to the change in PU... So I wouldn’t use that as a reference of how good their engine swap would be... In addition, they are having plenty of time to plan it properly and they are doing the change on what seems to be a good chassis... I don’t foresee them having many issues with the swap and could actually move forward significantly from it.


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And from merc to Honda... from Peugeot to Merc.. from Ford to Peugeot...

From Merco to Honda? Again, not an issue of the installation of the new engine, it was an issue of a pretty poor engine... From Peugeot to Merc? Lol, now we are grasping at straws... If it would be the same team that did that change I’ll give you a point, but... Really? ;P


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[Pyrone89]

Watching Hamilton build up his lap time through each session was a joy to watch. For me it looked like he was at the start of each session going 2 seconds off the ultimate laptime then building it lap after lap. Getting into a rhythm and where to place the car and when I mean place the car I mean to the nearest cm.

Max is undoubtedly similar in talent and will get to Hamiltons level in the next 5 years. In the dry I would call outright speed 50:50 even now. Over a race distance I would put all my money on Lewis. Can't wait to see them go at it tomorrow, evertime we get a chance to see them something happens so fingers crossed.

If they ever get equal equipment we can enjoy it even more.

[Jolle]

If that’s based on their change from Honda to Renault in 2018, the issues with the MCL33 weren’t related to the change in PU... So I wouldn’t use that as a reference of how good their engine swap would be... In addition, they are having plenty of time to plan it properly and they are doing the change on what seems to be a good chassis... I don’t foresee them having many issues with the swap and could actually move forward significantly from it.


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And from merc to Honda... from Peugeot to Merc.. from Ford to Peugeot...

From Merco to Honda? Again, not an issue of the installation of the new engine, it was an issue of a pretty poor engine... From Peugeot to Merc? Lol, now we are grasping at straws... If it would be the same team that did that change I’ll give you a point, but... Really? ;P


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Besides not having any proven track record of doing a well engine swap, while done a lot, F1 engineering is the quest for mm, and with the new rules and the limitations of changing your design between 20-21, the difference is layout of the Merc en Renault, 2021 is going to be difficult.

[McMika98]

Contrasting styles though, Lewis was constantly building up but Max seem to regress and didn't find much improvement towards the end when most other drivers jumped up significantly.

[Pyrone89]

Contrasting styles though, Lewis was constantly building up but Max seem to regress and didn't find much improvement towards the end when most other drivers jumped up significantly.

Could be explained by rake. When there is too much water a high rake design runs the risk of stalling near the edge of the floor, while at lower wetness everything is fine.

Also see Hungary 2018 (or was it 2017?)

[Jolle]

Just imagine being Bottas, on a high since Sunday, having the upper hand on Friday and then.... back to reality and a bit further. Albon is the other driver with a considerable gap to his teammate, but that's more in line with expectations. But 1.4 seconds on your team mate... that are times from long long ago.

[214270]

Just imagine being Bottas, on a high since Sunday, having the upper hand on Friday and then.... back to reality and a bit further. Albon is the other driver with a considerable gap to his teammate, but that's more in line with expectations. But 1.4 seconds on your team mate... that are times from long long ago.

BOT claims a glazed brake disc was the reason for the deficit, hampering him all of qualifying.

[214270]

^ BOT was also over a sec faster his first lap of Q3 vs the field if memory serves me for what it’s worth.

[siskue2005]

Just imagine being Bottas, on a high since Sunday, having the upper hand on Friday and then.... back to reality and a bit further. Albon is the other driver with a considerable gap to his teammate, but that's more in line with expectations. But 1.4 seconds on your team mate... that are times from long long ago.

BOT claims a glazed brake disc was the reason for the deficit, hampering him all of qualifying.

But glazed brake disc is mostly due to bad brake management, cant blame anyone else

[McMika98]

Bottas seems to be suspect in the wets, he had a solid run just didn't hook a good lap at the end. Albon was on a late charge but overcooked, was always on the backfoot in all quali segments but improved towards the end.

[Jolle]

A lot

I hate to break it to you... but as you can see on his onboard, Hamilton didn't use DAS in Q3, not in the warmup or in his hot laps.

[Restomaniac]

^ BOT was also over a sec faster his first lap of Q3 vs the field if memory serves me for what it’s worth.

Giovanni was also faster than 1 Ferrari and almost identical in speed with the other at the start of Q1 IIRC. That wasn’t worth anything either.