2021 Mclaren F1 Team

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_cerber1 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 13:36
Emag wrote:
29 Aug 2021, 22:22
I am a bit worried about Zandvoort. Complete unknown as we have never been there recently. Hopefully McLaren has a good weekend. We are due some celebrations after two "not so good ones" in a row.
McLaren is the only mid-tier team that doesn't yet have a 1st spot in the new turbo era. This is awful considering our form over the past three years.

It's a nothing burger. Why do you care that they didn't get lucky when they've been doing it on ability? Bet you any of the other teams would swap places????

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Xero wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 14:32
Taking away any outlier results, the true measure of progress is consistency. Inheriting wins through fortunate circumstances will never be as satisfying as earning one on pure merit. So personally, this doesn't bother me too much. The win will come, and I still think we have an opportunity this year at Monza.
This is the whole paradox that our chassis is better, the chance to win is higher, but always that something does not work out. Fortune doesn't make us happy.

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_cerber1 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 13:33
runningmanz wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 01:58
Disappointing to not have a race but at least we are back in 3rd so not all bad.
I am still worried about the motor, the impact was very strong, yesterday's mileage was too low for them to identify problems.
They used an all PU for the “race”, (PU #2) they didn’t use PU#3 on Sunday

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Xero wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 14:32
_cerber1 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 13:36
McLaren is the only mid-tier team that doesn't yet have a 1st spot in the new turbo era. This is awful considering our form over the past three years.
Taking away any outlier results, the true measure of progress is consistency. Inheriting wins through fortunate circumstances will never be as satisfying as earning one on pure merit. So personally, this doesn't bother me too much. The win will come, and I still think we have an opportunity this year at Monza.
I fully agree… Lucking out on a win would be fun and it will be celebrated, but on the other hand, achieving a win on luck or fortuitous events in a race and not because you had the pace to be there doesn’t reflect progress, it just reflects luck… I’m perfectly happy not having a win by those means.

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Anyways, hope we NEVER get a repeat of SPA 2021.

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_cerber1 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 15:31
Xero wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 14:32
Taking away any outlier results, the true measure of progress is consistency. Inheriting wins through fortunate circumstances will never be as satisfying as earning one on pure merit. So personally, this doesn't bother me too much. The win will come, and I still think we have an opportunity this year at Monza.
This is the whole paradox that our chassis is better, the chance to win is higher, but always that something does not work out. Fortune doesn't make us happy.
For the race win, no, but we don't need one. It would be the icing on the cake, but the cake is fine without it :mrgreen:

We are making so much progress, fortune has smiled on us over the winter, in how we have developed the car, in how Lando has developed, the team structure and the personnel, how the company struggled so much in Covid and came out the other side as strong as ever....

We are lucky because all of our plans seem to pay off, we seem to go in the right direction and we are a team who can now begin to challenge for podiums. 3 years ago, we would be dreaming of that.

Edit: Forgot to mention also that our sponsorship situations has quite fortunately turned around aswell!
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Seerix wrote:
29 Aug 2021, 18:49
Track marshalls have jobs, I don't know who would do their job on Monday.
Not just Marshalls. I don't know for certain about Spa, but I know at Silverstone the medical staff for drivers and teams are only contracted for the 3 days. I have a few colleagues who work there and they wouldn't be able to get cover at work at such short notice if they were due in on the Monday.

Logistical issues would far outweigh whether the teams were willing to or not.

Perhaps in the future F1 can contract marshalls, medical staff etc for the Monday as well, just as a contingency. But that increases costs and those costs would risk being passed onto fans.
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4 weeks of waiting only to wait another week. What a joke.

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diffuser wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 19:40
Anyways, hope we NEVER get a repeat of SPA 2021.
I've been a fan of Mclaren and F1 since 1997, this was by far the biggest fiasco, worse than 2005 Indianapolis race....

I truly hope I will never ever see a S@it show like this again.
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1m0bius1 wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 11:52
4 weeks of waiting only to wait another week. What a joke.

Sh*t happens... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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bauc wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 11:54
diffuser wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 19:40
Anyways, hope we NEVER get a repeat of SPA 2021.
I've been a fan of Mclaren and F1 since 1997, this was by far the biggest fiasco, worse than 2005 Indianapolis race....

I truly hope I will never ever see a S@it show like this again.
I’ve been an F1 fan since 86 and imo this isn’t even close to the Indianapolis fiasco! That fiasco could have been resolved if Max M stopped being a tool for 5 mins.

This weekend was 100% out of the control of F1 and everybody involved. Therefore not a fiasco, just a damp squib.
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djos wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 13:29
bauc wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 11:54
diffuser wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 19:40
Anyways, hope we NEVER get a repeat of SPA 2021.
I've been a fan of Mclaren and F1 since 1997, this was by far the biggest fiasco, worse than 2005 Indianapolis race....

I truly hope I will never ever see a S@it show like this again.
I’ve been an F1 fan since 86 and imo this isn’t even close to the Indianapolis fiasco! That fiasco could have been resolved if Max M stopped being a tool for 5 mins.

This weekend was 100% out of the control of F1 and everybody involved. Therefore not a fiasco, just a damp squib.
We are getting out of topic here, but keeping people on the stands for hours with clear no intentions of ever racing, then doing a 2 laps behind the SC when is almost dark (6pm local time) just to cover your butt's legally over sponsor and ticket holders payments and then call this a race, split the points and have a podium celebration is a fiasco of epic proportions.
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bauc wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 14:03
djos wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 13:29
bauc wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 11:54


I've been a fan of Mclaren and F1 since 1997, this was by far the biggest fiasco, worse than 2005 Indianapolis race....

I truly hope I will never ever see a S@it show like this again.
I’ve been an F1 fan since 86 and imo this isn’t even close to the Indianapolis fiasco! That fiasco could have been resolved if Max M stopped being a tool for 5 mins.

This weekend was 100% out of the control of F1 and everybody involved. Therefore not a fiasco, just a damp squib.
We are getting out of topic here, but keeping people on the stands for hours with clear no intentions of ever racing, then doing a 2 laps behind the SC when is almost dark (6pm local time) just to cover your butt's legally over sponsor and ticket holders payments and then call this a race, split the points and have a podium celebration is a fiasco of epic proportions.
I disagree, they were hoping the rain would stop so they could go racing - it didnt pan out. It sucks but calling it worse than Indy ignores the fact that they had no other options than to basically award half-race points based on the qualifying result.

There was simply no option to run the race the next day - I hate the outcome and the many many wasted hours in front of the TV hoping for a race. But nature is a powerful and immovable force sometimes. At least this way it wasn't a wasted weekend for the teams and everyone (specifically the race promoter) gets paid.
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djos wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 13:29
bauc wrote:
31 Aug 2021, 11:54
diffuser wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 19:40
Anyways, hope we NEVER get a repeat of SPA 2021.
I've been a fan of Mclaren and F1 since 1997, this was by far the biggest fiasco, worse than 2005 Indianapolis race....

I truly hope I will never ever see a S@it show like this again.
I’ve been an F1 fan since 86 and imo this isn’t even close to the Indianapolis fiasco! That fiasco could have been resolved if Max M stopped being a tool for 5 mins.

This weekend was 100% out of the control of F1 and everybody involved. Therefore not a fiasco, just a damp squib.
My only problem was the half points for no competitive laps. As Vettel said (paraphrasing) if you want to give out points for qualifying... then do so but then don't say these points were for a race cause there wasn't one.