2021 Alpine F1 Team

[Tooooom]

And maybe also a change of politics at Renault since he wasn’t protected by Ghosn anymore.

[JordanMugen]

Maybe next year they will be in front of RB that push all for 2021

Maybe, but where is the racey approach and continual improvement from Renault and Alpine?

It seems all hopes rest on 2022 chassis and 2022 power unit, but none of this has been demonstrated. The upward trend of the 2018 Renault really seems to have stalled badly. In 2019 they went backwards, in 2020 they improved a bit, now 2021 and they have gone backwards again.

I mean who would have thought of 2014 Mercedes ?

Mercedes spent a *lot* of money to become competitive.

They are carrying an old chassis and not update engine result are logical[/b]

So they would have originally launched the new generation car with the same old power unit?

[Scorpaguy]

Cyril's revenge.

[RedNEO]

And maybe also a change of politics at Renault since he wasn’t protected by Ghosn anymore.

Good point. Luckily the new CEO Luca realises what mess Cyril had created and at least they will be heading in the right direction now.

[RedNEO]

It seems all hopes rest on 2022 chassis and 2022 power unit, but none of this has been demonstrated. The upward trend of the 2018 Renault really seems to have stalled badly. In 2019 they went backwards, in 2020 they improved a bit, now 2021 and they have gone backwards again.

This is what I can’t wrap my head around.. they “claimed” to be focused on the new regs as a reason as to why they didn’t bother to alter the 2019 car.

But surely if everything rests on that why wouldn’t they at least make sure the new engine is not a dud by putting it into a new 2020 chassis? I mean you can lose or gain a lot of performance/reliability just by how good the packaging is so you’d think they would want to test that before the new regs and make sure it’s actually as good and reliable as they hope it is. The whole thing is just baffling considering they had another chance to do it in 2021 and failed to take the decision while McLaren saw the opportunity to change practically there whole car and jumped at the opportunity. Now they are stuck again with an engine package that’s going to be useless next year. It doesn’t make any sense..

[max_speed]

Alpine is 8th fastest car just ahead of williams and haas. they should switch focus to year 2022 asap.

I was wondering why it looked good initially and then just dropped off a cliff. The debris in the brakes actually makes sense because seeing various cars just steaming passed Alonso in the braking zones was odd when he was comfortably holding his own and attacking the McLarens half a dozen laps earlier.

This might be the reason because suddenly alonso started to fall back after Stroll overtook him and was locking at multiple places , completely unlike Alonso but Rear end of this car is no where, sliding everywhere but as alonso said midfield is mega tight 2-3 tenths can change a lot on race day.

[max_speed]

Alpine is 8th fastest car just ahead of williams and haas. they should switch focus to year 2022 asap.

They have, you could argue that they never switched to 2021... There is always gonna be some people on 2021 this early on, you just don't have any manufacturing for 2022 at this point, not like you have wings to make and stuff. The PU guy have been flat out on 2022 for some time now.

it would have made sense to test new PU this year and then focus on Aero and other bits of car to prepare for 2022 regulation changes. Honda has surprised a lot , Tsuonda was no where at start of straights on Hard tyres and by end of straight over took alonso on mediums

[Jambier]

So as you said:

- Cyril decided to keep 2019 chassis for 2020 as he wanted to focus on 2022. Renault resources are less than big top teams that’s why

- Regarding resources they are waiting budget cap and other aligning to them

- Regarding engine this is interesting : they will go for split turbo and engine was supposed to be ready for 2021. But COVID hit and now freeze will happen.

So they are doing the split turbo and the 2023 engine ready for 2022.

In a way they should have been able to do the split turbo in 21 and bringing 23 to 22 but they were not. Still they are planning a huge step on engine for 2022.

I am really not worried regarding the 22 engine, but much more with chassis as they always seem to underestimate the changes or the target to have are two lows I don’t know

[Jambier]

In a way Ferrari is doing exactly the same : new engine for 2022 and just an update for 21.

Same for chassis they try to fix the drag and some bits but focus is on 22

Difference is Ferrari have much more money than Alpine

[Vasconia]

I feel bad for Alonso. I think he just gave up, he felt there's nothing to race for, call it a day. Look where Ocon ended up. The car and the engine are not that good. It's that half assed philosophy that has been the standout feature of Renault all this time. They have some good people, but the overall philosophy isn't working.

Taking into account his qualy and first laps, it looks that the can delivers but this team...Renault during this hybrid era has been alway a team without a clear path and leadership. It would be a great surprise if they can be truly competitive next year.

[Herr_Koos]

In a way Ferrari is doing exactly the same : new engine for 2022 and just an update for 21.

Same for chassis they try to fix the drag and some bits but focus is on 22

Difference is Ferrari have much more money than Alpine

This is what the budget cap is meant to address, so in theory, don't they now have the same amount of money?

[factory_p]

This is what I can’t wrap my head around.. they “claimed” to be focused on the new regs as a reason as to why they didn’t bother to alter the 2019 car.

But surely if everything rests on that why wouldn’t they at least make sure the new engine is not a dud by putting it into a new 2020 chassis? I mean you can lose or gain a lot of performance/reliability just by how good the packaging is so you’d think they would want to test that before the new regs and make sure it’s actually as good and reliable as they hope it is. The whole thing is just baffling considering they had another chance to do it in 2021 and failed to take the decision while McLaren saw the opportunity to change practically there whole car and jumped at the opportunity. Now they are stuck again with an engine package that’s going to be useless next year. It doesn’t make any sense..

They probably needed to change the chassis to install the new PU in 2021. They decided it was not the best use of tokens and resources. It's hard to argue against it...

[factory_p]

Agreed. It’s honestly shocking to see how low the quality control bar is at the moment.

Honda changed both Gasly and Perez ES and CE, Red Bull had glitches with Perez's car, Williams had problems on Latifi's car, Haas had a brake by wire failure on Mazepin's car, Ferrari had glitches on Sainz car...

Everybody has had issues all weekend long and you're taking a dig at quality control at Alpine for a deployment issue on Alonso's car? I don't think you are judging fairly.

[selvam_e2002]

“We gathered some information that you will understand I will keep for myself and for the team. It was interesting to see compared to the others.”

above comment from Alonso. Not sure what they are doing.......

[radosav]

just watched race again, until lap 17 alonso was fighting with mclaren and ferrari without any problem