2022 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 29 - 31

[chrisc90]

Charles also binned it himself in 2 of the 13 races. That’s too much. Ferrari have a great car and the strategy they can improve, then Charles is in a great spot.

Every race its been similar outcome for the Ferrari strategy. Only Austria they did half decent but that was down to mega tyre deg from the RB.

The only strategy Ferrari know is copy what the other teams are doing. Perfect example today, they pitted their car on medium tyres to cover off Max who was on softs. They simply cant think for themselves. Fact.

[F1NAC]

Even Russell acknowledged in the driver pen Leclerc's misfortunes. Binotto will be looking for a job if he doesn't sort his strategy team

I bet they miss Arivabene and his brilliant strategy team now

Agreed. He was certainly top notch operationally. Binotto should go back to the technical side, where I'm sure he does top tier work.

You mean operationally when they fired people and doing everything Marchionne ordered?

I bet half of thr team would be fired by now after disastrous 2020 season.

[Sieper]

Charles also binned it himself in 2 of the 13 races. That’s too much. Ferrari have a great car and the strategy they can improve, then Charles is in a great spot.

This must be a knock on effect too. The more he tries to make up the harder he pushes and the closer to the edge means more off's.

Certainly, yet that never stopped anyone from speaking truth when Max was in the 3rd best car and pushing for life. He is in contention this year in the best car / equally best car.

[Sieper]

Charles also binned it himself in 2 of the 13 races. That’s too much. Ferrari have a great car and the strategy they can improve, then Charles is in a great spot.

Every race its been similar outcome for the Ferrari strategy. Only Austria they did half decent but that was down to mega tyre deg from the RB.

The only strategy Ferrari know is copy what the other teams are doing. Perfect example today, they pitted their car on medium tyres to cover off Max who was on softs. They simply cant think for themselves. Fact.

While I don’t think they are that bad, I never said it is easy to improve on that part.

[chrisc90]

Charles also binned it himself in 2 of the 13 races. That’s too much. Ferrari have a great car and the strategy they can improve, then Charles is in a great spot.

Every race its been similar outcome for the Ferrari strategy. Only Austria they did half decent but that was down to mega tyre deg from the RB.

The only strategy Ferrari know is copy what the other teams are doing. Perfect example today, they pitted their car on medium tyres to cover off Max who was on softs. They simply cant think for themselves. Fact.

While I don’t think they are that bad, I never said it is easy to improve on that part.

Not you personally of course.

I cant think of one time this season Ferrari have been decisive on strategy and 'took the lead' in strategy race.

[dialtone]

Every race its been similar outcome for the Ferrari strategy. Only Austria they did half decent but that was down to mega tyre deg from the RB.

The only strategy Ferrari know is copy what the other teams are doing. Perfect example today, they pitted their car on medium tyres to cover off Max who was on softs. They simply cant think for themselves. Fact.

While I don’t think they are that bad, I never said it is easy to improve on that part.

Not you personally of course.

I cant think of one time this season Ferrari have been decisive on strategy and 'took the lead' in strategy race.

Bahrain, Spain, we can debate Azerbaijan, France they were doing fine actually, Imola despite the bad setup, without the slow pitstop they would have gotten 2nd. I'm really not trying to defend them, but we don't need to mis-represent.

The issue is less the strategy per se, more the tire knowledge as it develops in the race. If the race is in stable conditions, that they could test in free practice, they don't have issues with tires. However this year, together with this being their weakness, even with the longest drought in european history, wherever F1 goes so follows this damn cloud of rain to ruin dominant weekends for the team by highlighting the strategy team. And when that doesn't happen it's the engine to give up or the driver to make a mistake. Sucks to waste such a great car.

[rifrafs2kees]

I don’t know how long I have been watching f1 - 25 years or so.

In all that time the biggest scandal was last year when the race/championship was manipulated by the FIA, to the point of literal race fixing. Procedures totally ignored and made up on the fly just to give Max a chance.

Yet even then Sky remained neutral. I don’t remember any of the crew kicking off, they just acted professionally and took it.

If they were indeed as bias as some are saying, then was the perfect opportunity but it never happened.

If we are to be paid handsomely to maintain the decorum, we would all probably be behaving better than the Sky team for sure, despite our innate personal desires, dislikes and bigotry.

Naive; do you read the nonsense on this forum...from all sides?

[PlatinumZealot]

Ferrari top brass must terminate immediately Mattia Binotto, Mekies and Ignacio Rueda. Totally incompetant at the pitwall. Get personnel from Sauber or Haas . Binotto telling the media that the car was under performing and the strategy wasnt to blame. Is Binotto disillusioned ?

Binotto is not responsible for the strategy. The firing of the strategist is long overdue!

[codetower]

While I don’t think they are that bad, I never said it is easy to improve on that part.

Not you personally of course.

I cant think of one time this season Ferrari have been decisive on strategy and 'took the lead' in strategy race.

Bahrain, Spain, we can debate Azerbaijan, France they were doing fine actually, Imola despite the bad setup, without the slow pitstop they would have gotten 2nd. I'm really not trying to defend them, but we don't need to mis-represent.

The issue is less the strategy per se, more the tire knowledge as it develops in the race. If the race is in stable conditions, that they could test in free practice, they don't have issues with tires. However this year, together with this being their weakness, even with the longest drought in european history, wherever F1 goes so follows this damn cloud of rain to ruin dominant weekends for the team by highlighting the strategy team. And when that doesn't happen it's the engine to give up or the driver to make a mistake. Sucks to waste such a great car.

Sucks to waste such a great car, and such a great talent in Leclerc.

So let's assume that it's not bad strategy calls. Then it is bad data. How do they get it so wrong? If it's not the strategist making the wrong call, then whomever is feeding them the data needs to improve. What data do they see that asks to pit Leclerc after only 18 laps on the 2nd stint on mediums, when he himself wants to stay out? Norris went 28 laps on his 2nd stint on Mediums... Sainz 30, HAM VET STR all wend 32+. What data were they given that the Hards would switch-on after 10 laps and be faster than the Mediums?

There is a flaw somewhere on this team, and the quicker they identify and acknowledge it, the quicker they will be fighting for championships. But to continue to be in denial and say they made the right calls, or that it's just bad timing will only make things worse.

[PlatinumZealot]

On the face of it this is a one sided championship battle; Ferrari are simply not capable of putting up a challenge!

[mzso]

Leclerc should not have pitted at the time he did for hards. Everyone knew the hards would be awful. He could have mirrored Hamilton's strategy and he would have won imo.

maybe, yes, but it would likely have meant dropping to 3rd or 4th first, then having to overtake them again on new tyres. I can understand why they didn't want to risk that on a track like Hungary.

Two of "they" needed to pit again for starters, as I remember. (The commentators even pointed it out. Though it was Ham and Ver behind them at that point)

[TimW]

Max has got his spins sorted I must say.Somehow he is good a spinning without going off track, and keeping all four wheels spinning, no flat spots.

Don't know if it is skill or luck, but it happened several times. E.g. this year Silverstone qualy. It was also his second 'spin to win' after Germany 2019.

[mzso]

Charles also binned it himself in 2 of the 13 races. That’s too much. Ferrari have a great car and the strategy they can improve, then Charles is in a great spot.

That is not true, also not true. Two mistakes is not a lot. Also, he didn't bin it earlier, he lost a couple of places, seven points relative to Verstappen. Compared to around 100-120 due to engine failures, and Ferrari "strategy".
Even the last one would not have been a DNF if the silly SW of the car would have let him reverse.

[dialtone]

Not you personally of course.

I cant think of one time this season Ferrari have been decisive on strategy and 'took the lead' in strategy race.

Bahrain, Spain, we can debate Azerbaijan, France they were doing fine actually, Imola despite the bad setup, without the slow pitstop they would have gotten 2nd. I'm really not trying to defend them, but we don't need to mis-represent.

The issue is less the strategy per se, more the tire knowledge as it develops in the race. If the race is in stable conditions, that they could test in free practice, they don't have issues with tires. However this year, together with this being their weakness, even with the longest drought in european history, wherever F1 goes so follows this damn cloud of rain to ruin dominant weekends for the team by highlighting the strategy team. And when that doesn't happen it's the engine to give up or the driver to make a mistake. Sucks to waste such a great car.

Sucks to waste such a great car, and such a great talent in Leclerc.

So let's assume that it's not bad strategy calls. Then it is bad data. How do they get it so wrong? If it's not the strategist making the wrong call, then whomever is feeding them the data needs to improve. What data do they see that asks to pit Leclerc after only 18 laps on the 2nd stint on mediums, when he himself wants to stay out? Norris went 28 laps on his 2nd stint on Mediums... Sainz 30, HAM VET STR all wend 32+. What data were they given that the Hards would switch-on after 10 laps and be faster than the Mediums?

There is a flaw somewhere on this team, and the quicker they identify and acknowledge it, the quicker they will be fighting for championships. But to continue to be in denial and say they made the right calls, or that it's just bad timing will only make things worse.

I’m not saying the pit stops laps were the right ones, but even with those laps it was going to be fine for LEC. But using the Hard showed a lack of understanding of both how long the soft lasted and how bad Alpine and Haas were doing on the hards.

Whatever tool they use to simulate strategies given state of the race is somewhat failing to return the right values fast enough.

Maybe to develop the car they put many people on the car and strategy was left behind and they can’t process all the data with the people they have and end up with these calls.

[Big Tea]

Leclerc should not have pitted at the time he did for hards. Everyone knew the hards would be awful. He could have mirrored Hamilton's strategy and he would have won imo.

maybe, yes, but it would likely have meant dropping to 3rd or 4th first, then having to overtake them again on new tyres. I can understand why they didn't want to risk that on a track like Hungary.

Two of "they" needed to pit again for starters, as I remember. (The commentators even pointed it out. Though it was Ham and Ver behind them at that point)

They committed themselves with the starting tyres. There was a chance of rain so soft would not be a bad option if they did not want to be left with the option of having to pass both Red Bulls and probably both Alpines, then be behind a Mclaren and Mercedes. Soft would also have been an ok call for the middle stint (if not med's) because of the rain threat and the chance of safety car. Once they had the hards on the only choice was run far enough to go back to soft.

I think they were scared of having to re pass cars they could stay infront of and once committed would not change