Red Bull RB19

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organic wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 21:42
After looking at all the pics in the thread and various images from the silverstone shakedown it seems very likely the baku spec inlets were used at the shakedown already. Not sure if anything can be concluded from that, but it supports the idea that RB are not rushing components to the car and instead focusing on being efficient with parts, which completely makes sense when there seems to be a sizeable advantage in pocket
It's more likely it was a different (early) spec of wide inlets and they weren't happy with them. If it isn't raced, it doesn't count within cost cap, so they decided to work some more and improve them further. Maybe :mrgreen:
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'' If it isn't raced it doesn't count with cost cup?'' RB is the one of the top four teams that most need to be careful with pushing developed things out on the car, The least that can afford it. The most restricted.

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In comparison images of sidepod entrance the top "lip" has been raised in it's lower edge (inside the entry) to give a thinner planing geometry of air separation going into or over the top sidepod surface.
Look carefully at the point where that section meets the main tub to see the difference as old and new sections are blended there.

Extending the lower lip further forward in relation to top may have the effect of more air into undercut as pointed out in previous post. More valuable though seems to be containing inlet overspill as the relative throughput of internal flow peaks as speed of vehicle increases, the lip prevents this from bleeding into the downstream and promoting all extraneous air over the top surface.

Possible one of the "secret" but hidden in plain sight details on this car. Many have copied the sidepod concept, but this appears only fully implemented on this car.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 06:20
organic wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 21:42
After looking at all the pics in the thread and various images from the silverstone shakedown it seems very likely the baku spec inlets were used at the shakedown already. Not sure if anything can be concluded from that, but it supports the idea that RB are not rushing components to the car and instead focusing on being efficient with parts, which completely makes sense when there seems to be a sizeable advantage in pocket
It's more likely it was a different (early) spec of wide inlets and they weren't happy with them. If it isn't raced, it doesn't count within cost cap, so they decided to work some more and improve them further. Maybe :mrgreen:
Or, the part used in the first 3 races was RB18 and used out of cost reduction and only upgraded to the RB19 part once it reached its max lifespan.

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Red bull changes for Baku.

seems to be a substantial package with more than just the sidepod inlets, as was reported by AMuS/potential insider. Hopefully we'll get some pictures soon. Especially of floor edge and floor fence

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organic wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 11:18
Red bull changes for Baku.

seems to be a substantial package with more than just the sidepod inlets, as was reported by AMuS/potential insider. Hopefully we'll get some pictures soon. Especially of floor edge and floor fence

https://i.imgur.com/vOy4U7j.jpeg
Hmm so the side pod inlet might not be an "upgrade"? It's listed as a "circuit specific cooling change".
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Some geometry changes to the edge wing

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A bit more curvature added to those two elements.
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Quite a good comparison photo by motorsport.com
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I don't understand why it's described as "circuit specific".

Perhaps there is a balance shift or a drag reduction.
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 14:24
I don't understand why it's described as "circuit specific".

Perhaps there is a balance shift or a drag reduction.
I'd say efficiency gain. Higher speeds, more charge cooling, smaller rear openings.
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We'll have to wait and see if this truly is circuit specific. If so, what advantage does it offer at a top speed / low drag course like Baku which would not apply to other courses? The frontal area looks identical.
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vorticism wrote:
28 Apr 2023, 19:27
We'll have to wait and see if this truly is circuit specific. If so, what advantage does it offer at a top speed / low drag course like Baku which would not apply to other courses? The frontal area looks identical.
Normally cooling inlets are related to the average cooling power offered by the circuit. This is roughly proportionaly to the average circuit speed. I found a plot of average circuit speed:

Baku is in the middle of the road, a little bit faster than Bahrain, but slower than Jeddah and Australia. It could be that this inlet is targeted towards circuits with lower average speeds?

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+1 on that infographic. Ambient temps, time on throttle, altitude, as well, I would think. The inlet area does not seem to have changed though, which would imply it's more about external airflow rather than internal. Given mid average speeds, maybe this is what we'll see at lower avg speed tracks, as you mention.
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