2020 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 10-12 July

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From what I’ve previously read VER had his chance at a Merc drive; he chose RB.

When was this ?

At the start of his F1 career, both Mercedes and RBR made him offers. He took the RBR drive because they guaranteed him a race seat

Come on, that doesn't count

[tangodjango]

^ BOT was also over a sec faster his first lap of Q3 vs the field if memory serves me for what it’s worth.

Giovanni was also faster than 1 Ferrari and almost identical in speed with the other at the start of Q1 IIRC. That wasn’t worth anything either.

Giovinazzi

The point I was making is the glazed brake didn’t seem to hamper him then, at the start of Q3.

Yeah the glazed brake was patently an excuse I feel. The only thing that seemed glazed were his eyes during the post qualifying interview.

[SmallSoldier]

PU power has nothing to do with this wet qualifying! Check the speed traces.

When judged in a wider context including last week. That’s my point.

No Ferrari PU above #10 last week.
No Ferrari PU above #10 this week in different conditions.

I used Russell to make that point. The weather clearly helped negate the Williams’ problems.......Yet Ferrari?

The Ferrari PU has clearly taken one hell of a Nerf.

Actually, the fact that Williams perform as close as they did to Ferrari shows that they have more issues on their chassis than their PU... Beyond “drivability” and power delivery, the PU’s factor in a wet qualifying is very small versus the car balance and confidence that it gives to the drivers.


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[Restomaniac]

PU power has nothing to do with this wet qualifying! Check the speed traces.

When judged in a wider context including last week. That’s my point.

No Ferrari PU above #10 last week.
No Ferrari PU above #10 this week in different conditions.

I used Russell to make that point. The weather clearly helped negate the Williams’ problems.......Yet Ferrari?

The Ferrari PU has clearly taken one hell of a Nerf.

Actually, the fact that Williams perform as close as they did to Ferrari shows that they have more issues on their chassis than their PU... Beyond “drivability” and power delivery, the PU’s factor in a wet qualifying is very small versus the car balance and confidence that it gives to the drivers.


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Oh I agree Ferrari have major issues but so does every other Ferrari PU powered car it seems this week, last week and probably next week, etc.

The more data we get the more it will become clear just how much they are hurting PU wise.

FP1 highest 10th.
FP2 highest 9th.
Qualy highest 10th.

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Russell appears to be just as good as Hamilton or Verstappen, so would be an excellent signing for Mercedes.

I think that is impossible to judge from this session, as the Red Bull has much less stable handling than the Mercedes and is not suited to wet conditions.

2 unsubstantiated claims. I like and rate Russell highly, but we have no solid proof that he is on Hamilton's or even Verstappen's level. Bottas is beating Hamilton on a more regular basis than Rosberg did, we don't even have proof that Russell is better than Bottas.

The RB has looked twitchy in the dry, that doesn't say anything about how it handles in the wet.

[Wynters]

What a session from Hamilton, in a car that was a mess at the end of the last Free practice session too. Just...wow.

Ocon. Also wow. Anyone who says this session was all about the car needs to explain how a near rookie, who has just taken a year off, with no real time in the car (and months since testing), no familiarity with the design ethos of the car, no time to build stressed relationships in the team and driving a Renault ended up 5th.

Russell only 8/1,000ths off Leclerc was also an amazing performance. The hype is real with this one. Hope he gets a decent drive ASAP.

Great to see qualifying in these conditions. So glad they went ahead.

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Until you put them in the same car you can't make such statements about driver X is better than driver B when they are both so good and car concept (low-rake vs high rake, DAS vs no-DAS) is so different. To me the smoking tyres indicate DAS has been a big help in heating the tyres. Perhaps we can see that when we get footage of warm-up laps.

The smoking tires meant nothing, just a pretty shot. VERs tires were still smoking while HAM was getting out of his car, so were SAI tires.

[Pyrone89]

Until you put them in the same car you can't make such statements about driver X is better than driver B when they are both so good and car concept (low-rake vs high rake, DAS vs no-DAS) is so different. To me the smoking tyres indicate DAS has been a big help in heating the tyres. Perhaps we can see that when we get footage of warm-up laps.

In the rain heating the rear is important too. Bottas had cold brakes and cold tyres. How does DAS heat the rear? Lol look on the on oards if u see DAS used. Grabbing at straws I see.

Havent seen the warm up lap so cant check. DAS until now has been used during warm up laps.

[Jolle]

Until you put them in the same car you can't make such statements about driver X is better than driver B when they are both so good and car concept (low-rake vs high rake, DAS vs no-DAS) is so different. To me the smoking tyres indicate DAS has been a big help in heating the tyres. Perhaps we can see that when we get footage of warm-up laps.

In the rain heating the rear is important too. Bottas had cold brakes and cold tyres. How does DAS heat the rear? Lol look on the on oards if u see DAS used. Grabbing at straws I see.

Havent seen the warm up lap so cant check. DAS until now has been used during warm up laps.

Hamilton hasn't used DAS during Q3. I watched his onboard.

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Anyone thinking that it's the car must have a look at how Bottas was destroyed by his team mate. That shows us two things: Hamilton undoubtedly is a master of rain and Bottas is not even close to being a match for him, at least in such conditions. Lewis ripped apart the whole grid.

BOT was suffering with glazed brake, and I've seen even HAM slowed down alot by that problem, not BOT best day, but he was held back by the brake problem .

[zeph]

From what I’ve previously read VER had his chance at a Merc drive; he chose RB.

When was this ?

Way I remember it, Mercedes expressed interest in Verstappen, and him and his dad took that as a negotiating chip to RBR to force the mid-season switch from STR.

[zeph]

Also, it’s funny how last week Vettel was done because he couldn’t get out of Q2. Nobody saying that about Leclerc today.

[LM10]

When judged in a wider context including last week. That’s my point.

No Ferrari PU above #10 last week.
No Ferrari PU above #10 this week in different conditions.

I used Russell to make that point. The weather clearly helped negate the Williams’ problems.......Yet Ferrari?

The Ferrari PU has clearly taken one hell of a Nerf.

Actually, the fact that Williams perform as close as they did to Ferrari shows that they have more issues on their chassis than their PU... Beyond “drivability” and power delivery, the PU’s factor in a wet qualifying is very small versus the car balance and confidence that it gives to the drivers.


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Oh I agree Ferrari have major issues but so does every other Ferrari PU powered car it seems this week, last week and probably next week, etc.

The more data we get the more it will become clear just how much they are hurting PU wise.

I don't know what you try to achieve by constantly stressing on the fact that the Ferrari PU lost power. It's clear, yes, but today's wet qualifying didn't make that point clear. The grip is massively limited and the drivers literally massage the pedal to not slide around when it's wet.
If any, the qualifying only showed that the Ferrari not only has a power issue, but also a big aero issue. Haas and Alfa were in their usual positions. I wonder why their positioning seems to surprise you.

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Watching Hamilton build up his lap time through each session was a joy to watch. For me it looked like he was at the start of each session going 2 seconds off the ultimate laptime then building it lap after lap. Getting into a rhythm and where to place the car and when I mean place the car I mean to the nearest cm.

Max is undoubtedly similar in talent and will get to Hamiltons level in the next 5 years. In the dry I would call outright speed 50:50 even now. Over a race distance I would put all my money on Lewis. Can't wait to see them go at it tomorrow, evertime we get a chance to see them something happens so fingers crossed.

Yes, HAM was slow on his initial runs(he's been caught out in the past with this tactic), but it certainly seemed to help him today. I wonder if he had the brake magic on and was warming up the brakes and tires that way, before going hard for times.

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Contrasting styles though, Lewis was constantly building up but Max seem to regress and didn't find much improvement towards the end when most other drivers jumped up significantly.

Could be explained by rake. When there is too much water a high rake design runs the risk of stalling near the edge of the floor, while at lower wetness everything is fine.

Also see Hungary 2018 (or was it 2017?)

I would put it more on tire grip, use them up early when the track is dryer? Or build them up slowly until everything is up to temp and ready to go. Hamilton was setting faster lap times even though it seemed the track was getting wetter.