2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[martinbeiker]

When told on the radio he had missed the cut Sainz said something like 'just as suspected'

What was he referring to? was there a problem?

He was falling further back with every new set of tyres so he wasn't surprised that he wasn't in the top 10

[NL_Fer]

Hope his setup will be a killer on mediums tomorrow. He can make some ground with a long first stint.

[Artur Craft]

I feel Norris can scrap with Gasly.

How is that possible considering RB is so far ahead and that Gasly improved coniderably?

[_cerber1]

Maybe the weather played against us today. McLaren loves the heat, it seems that today the tires were cold, and Lando on the second fastest lap was faster. I hope that conditions will be better tomorrow.

[Darth-Piekus]

I feel Norris can scrap with Gasly.

How is that possible considering RB is so far ahead and that Gasly improved coniderably?

It is possible since both Mclaren drivers have been beating Gasly for many races. He is simply underperforming or perhaps Verstappen is overperforming.

[diffuser]

The team was strong all through the weekend and they are still clearly in that fight... The fight is there and is encouraging to see the team still moving forward compared to last year.


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That wasn't what Inwas referring to. Read my post again.

There are people here who think after 1 good race we have alrady solidified 4th in the championship and it's time to catch RBR. Maybe you were one of them?

Honestly don’t see the point you are trying to make... And No, Mclaren hasn’t had “1” good race... Since the beginning of the year they have exceeded expectations and clearly fought in the midfield and if anything they have had bad luck at the beginning of the season preventing them of showing more points at this point (Carlos issue in Australia, Lando stuck behind GIO in the same race... Carlos collision with Verstappen in Bahrain, Suspension issues for Lando in Canada and a visor stuck in Carlos’ rear brake duct... Lando’s hydraulic issues in France)... If anything, the team has showed a very strong package in most races with the exception of China and Spain... Even in Monaco they did really well... So, based on the season so far, they have been clearly the 4th best team and the points show... Today, they mixed it up with Renault and their car/setup didn’t adjust to the changing track conditions... That’s all their is... For you to argue that they aren’t the 4th best team would mean that you haven’t really watched the season so far.


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Think he's saying "it ain't over yet". They can still finish below 4th...

[SmallSoldier]

That wasn't what Inwas referring to. Read my post again.

There are people here who think after 1 good race we have alrady solidified 4th in the championship and it's time to catch RBR. Maybe you were one of them?

Honestly don’t see the point you are trying to make... And No, Mclaren hasn’t had “1” good race... Since the beginning of the year they have exceeded expectations and clearly fought in the midfield and if anything they have had bad luck at the beginning of the season preventing them of showing more points at this point (Carlos issue in Australia, Lando stuck behind GIO in the same race... Carlos collision with Verstappen in Bahrain, Suspension issues for Lando in Canada and a visor stuck in Carlos’ rear brake duct... Lando’s hydraulic issues in France)... If anything, the team has showed a very strong package in most races with the exception of China and Spain... Even in Monaco they did really well... So, based on the season so far, they have been clearly the 4th best team and the points show... Today, they mixed it up with Renault and their car/setup didn’t adjust to the changing track conditions... That’s all their is... For you to argue that they aren’t the 4th best team would mean that you haven’t really watched the season so far.


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Think he's saying "it ain't over yet". They can still finish below 4th...

Oh... Absolutely... There is still half a season to go and a lot can happen... But, when you have 80% more points than your closer competitor with almost half of the season gone and considering that the teams they will be fighting against are really fighting for the P7 through P10, I would said that they have “consolidated 4th” so far... which I will agree is different than “securing” 4th.


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[Chicane]

The pace was there in the car. Lando did an excellent job and keeping in mind this is his very first season he comes across as someone who can nail a lap under pressure. I think Sainz struggled in general throughout the weekend and according to him he found some confidence in Q1. However lack of rear grip he attributed to balance issues and also the new tarmac. I think the car had the legs on Renault today but there are days this happens so Sainz has to try and nail his start like usual and with medium-hard strategy he can get in to points. Mclaren showed good long run pace on Friday and i think points are possible for both cars. Today was frustrating in that clearly we could see the car having the pace over midfield rivals all weekend up until Q2 which is where the track conditions and wind caused balance issues.

[proteus]

Honestly don’t see the point you are trying to make... And No, Mclaren hasn’t had “1” good race... Since the beginning of the year they have exceeded expectations and clearly fought in the midfield and if anything they have had bad luck at the beginning of the season preventing them of showing more points at this point (Carlos issue in Australia, Lando stuck behind GIO in the same race... Carlos collision with Verstappen in Bahrain, Suspension issues for Lando in Canada and a visor stuck in Carlos’ rear brake duct... Lando’s hydraulic issues in France)... If anything, the team has showed a very strong package in most races with the exception of China and Spain... Even in Monaco they did really well... So, based on the season so far, they have been clearly the 4th best team and the points show... Today, they mixed it up with Renault and their car/setup didn’t adjust to the changing track conditions... That’s all their is... For you to argue that they aren’t the 4th best team would mean that you haven’t really watched the season so far.


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Think he's saying "it ain't over yet". They can still finish below 4th...

Oh... Absolutely... There is still half a season to go and a lot can happen... But, when you have 80% more points than your closer competitor with almost half of the season gone and considering that the teams they will be fighting against are really fighting for the P7 through P10, I would said that they have “consolidated 4th” so far... which I will agree is different than “securing” 4th.


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1 race where majority of leaders retires and that majority of points can be converted into a major gap if the day is bad for the duo.

So dont celebrate with the half of the season still to go. They are much better than they were last year, but Renault is not far, their only problem is that they are aparently very track specific. Mclaren has problems of their own as well, and sooner or later they will get engine penalties again.

[godlameroso]

I feel Norris can scrap with Gasly.

How is that possible considering RB is so far ahead and that Gasly improved coniderably?

Yes he starts ahead but Vettel will clear him quickly, Riccardo will likely drop back in the race as the McLaren has much better tire wear. That leaves Gasly vs Norris, if he gets ahead of Gasly he has enough to keep him behind.

[ESPImperium]

I have heard the rumours of Telefonica and Vodafone are trying to get into the game.

However, Zac Brown has been having the issue of sponsors ringing his phone off the hook.

All the present sponsors have been signing up long term, some increasing their exposure as well.

Overall, i can see the McLaren budget increase for 2020, this years budget is a estimated €165m - $175m for the team, under Honda it was €80m higher, but if they can get that closer to the €225m mark, and spend it correctly and in a smart way, i think they can easily challenge Red Bull on merit, and even challenge the Mercedes and Ferraris.

On Engines, i can see them staying with Renault long term now. I have heard murmurs that McLaren are interested in running a junior team in F1, one that is ran on a budget of €100m maximum. As Ron should have done in 2017 when Manor went to the wall for the final time, bought all the assets for the price of their debts, that's was only £9.3m or so at the time, then done what Lawrence Stroll did last year with Racing point. Switched to the Mercedes power unit until Honda got their act together with the new team. Im sure they could have ran hot young drivers in the smaller team, it was a modded opportunity i think. It would have given McLaren a second vote in the F1 structure as well.

Two very big companies if that is true. Would be surprising seeing Vodafone back however....

The rumour with Vodafone, is a dual one, they are also talking to FOM about being the 6th partner of F1, alongside Rolex and Emirates, that is a 5 year deal for €35m a year deal similar to the other FOM deals.

Telefonica would be a better bet as they could do the BAT thing and rebrand for what region they are in the world, so bring O2, Movistar and Telefonica itself into the market place, side pods would probably be ideal, but id say if they do a deal for €12m cash and €3m technical (mobile phone provision for the race team) for the cockpit sides would be a ideal situation.

Another company that would look good on the McLaren is Intel, as Ferrari have AMD, the provision of Intel on the car with Dell would make sense as wherever Dell have been in F1 Intel have also been (BMW Sauber/Caterham) and would also put Intel back in F1 when they have been seeing AMD take a dent then a slice and now a huge proportion of the tech market with their CPUs recently. A nice deal here for €8m cash and €5m technical (if Seidl wants to upgrade their CFD potential with some nice new Xeon chips) would also make sense, and mix in well with a blue background with a white font/logo.

The McLaren is getting quite crowded for sponsors, but there is options and ways to fill the space. A good headache to have as a F1 team, especially after since 2014 from when the team started to loose sponsors and the cars looked a bit sparse. Im of a lot school mind when i like my cars to look full but not crowded with advertising, and cars look best with it like that.

[epo]

I feel Norris can scrap with Gasly.

How is that possible considering RB is so far ahead and that Gasly improved coniderably?

Yes he starts ahead but Vettel will clear him quickly, Riccardo will likely drop back in the race as the McLaren has much better tire wear. That leaves Gasly vs Norris, if he gets ahead of Gasly he has enough to keep him behind.

Where you get that information? Last races McLaren usually goes into tire save mode after two rounds so.

[zoroastar]

You have to be out of your mind if you actually believe a new manufacturer will join F1 with McLaren in 2021. There is no chance at all that McLaren will take that risk after the Honda situation.

Never say Never... Crazier things have happened...

Like what? The first landing on the moon? They are just getting back at top of things. You have to be absolutely crazy to start another partnership, it will take years to get at the same level of the current manufacturers. It would make no sense at all.

yea, but money? getting to the same level as the manufacturers at all is a little difficult when they are outspending you by 100 million a year. Zak would do it if it were "the right" deal, im fairly certain. especially if there happened to be a dramatic rules change happening at around the same time. i doubt that it is GOING to happen, but i think that its in the realm of possibilties.

[Mansell89]

Looking forward to watching Sainz tomorrow. Hoping he gets a clean start and opening lap and then settle in to use the pace of the car. Being on the medium tyre will help him race with anyone who starts from p7 onwards as he can go long. Any unexpected rain can also play in his favour too.

[Juzh]

norris' q1 lap (PB) 1.26.079
https://streamable.com/xb3h5