2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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The C6 tire will not return for the rest of the year.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 18:44
WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 18:14
AR3-GP wrote:
24 Sep 2025, 16:25


Singapore is a night race so track temp will not be that high.
It's still a hot race though, even though humidity is the biggest factor for drivers.

Does humidity effect car performance??
The air temperature is important for choosing the cooling configuration but I think the tire behaviour is more sensitive to the track temperature. Singapore doesn't experience very high track temps because it's a night race. Sunlight is the reason that the track becomes much warmer than the air temp. Without the sunlight, there's very little difference between the track and air temps.

Last year in barcelona (daytime), air temp was around 22-24C but track temp was closer to 40C because of the sun. In singapore last year, the air temp was around 30C and track temp was also around 30C.
https://i.postimg.cc/wjXZDrgx/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wvnYwsP9/image.png
Just checked last years live timing from the F1 website.
For Singapore the air temp was 31C throughout, the track temp started at 37C and dropped to 35C by the end.
Current forecasted temps for this year are slightly lower for during the night at around 28/27C
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 21:07
AR3-GP wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 18:44
WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 18:14


It's still a hot race though, even though humidity is the biggest factor for drivers.

Does humidity effect car performance??
The air temperature is important for choosing the cooling configuration but I think the tire behaviour is more sensitive to the track temperature. Singapore doesn't experience very high track temps because it's a night race. Sunlight is the reason that the track becomes much warmer than the air temp. Without the sunlight, there's very little difference between the track and air temps.

Last year in barcelona (daytime), air temp was around 22-24C but track temp was closer to 40C because of the sun. In singapore last year, the air temp was around 30C and track temp was also around 30C.
https://i.postimg.cc/wjXZDrgx/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wvnYwsP9/image.png
Just checked last years live timing from the F1 website.
For Singapore the air temp was 31C throughout, the track temp started at 37C and dropped to 35C by the end.
Current forecasted temps for this year are slightly lower for during the night at around 28/27C
Right, I reported the qualifying temps because the fia website did not have the weather report for the race. I also just noticed that the race was held 1 hour before qualifying, so that explains why it was slightly warmer. Nevertheless, Singapore is a qualifying race so Saturday will be the most important day. Hopefully some showers during qualifying to give Max an advan...err I mean to spice things up. :lol:
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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 22:20
CjC wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 21:07
AR3-GP wrote:
25 Sep 2025, 18:44


The air temperature is important for choosing the cooling configuration but I think the tire behaviour is more sensitive to the track temperature. Singapore doesn't experience very high track temps because it's a night race. Sunlight is the reason that the track becomes much warmer than the air temp. Without the sunlight, there's very little difference between the track and air temps.

Last year in barcelona (daytime), air temp was around 22-24C but track temp was closer to 40C because of the sun. In singapore last year, the air temp was around 30C and track temp was also around 30C.
https://i.postimg.cc/wjXZDrgx/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wvnYwsP9/image.png
Just checked last years live timing from the F1 website.
For Singapore the air temp was 31C throughout, the track temp started at 37C and dropped to 35C by the end.
Current forecasted temps for this year are slightly lower for during the night at around 28/27C
Right, I reported the qualifying temps because the fia website did not have the weather report for the race. I also just noticed that the race was held 1 hour before qualifying, so that explains why it was slightly warmer. Nevertheless, Singapore is a qualifying race so Saturday will be the most important day. Hopefully some showers during qualifying to give Max an advan...err I mean to spice things up. :lol:
Idk, he wasn’t very far from pole last year. If they get the car to work with high downforce it’s not outside the realms of possibility to get a merited pole. More interesting will be the race pace, Lando was like a second a lap faster last year in the first stint.

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If the floor is running lower, thus making more downforce, then can they get away with smaller rear wings?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Lando was gaining time into the corners and losing at the exit, Max was good with traction out of the corner even with a lower rear wing than Lando.

With the rear wing cranked to the maximum at Singapore, this advantage could be negated. Singapore is also where you can cut the corners for an advantage, not sure if Red Bull is up to the task.

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chrisc90 wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 11:24
If the floor is running lower, thus making more downforce, then can they get away with smaller rear wings?
Which street circuit requires the highest ride height ?
Can someone confirm the correct order for increasing ride height across Monaco/Baku/Singapore/Vegas ?
I reckon it's like this :
Vegas < Singapore < Baku < Monaco (highest)

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FW17 wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 11:35
Lando was gaining time into the corners and losing at the exit, Max was good with traction out of the corner even with a lower rear wing than Lando.

With the rear wing cranked to the maximum at Singapore, this advantage could be negated. Singapore is also where you can cut the corners for an advantage, not sure if Red Bull is up to the task.
That is just Max way of optimizing. When it is faster to enter slow and exit fast he will do that.

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reference trace above - singapore 2024

FW17 wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 11:35
Lando was gaining time into the corners and losing at the exit, Max was good with traction out of the corner even with a lower rear wing than Lando.

With the rear wing cranked to the maximum at Singapore, this advantage could be negated. Singapore is also where you can cut the corners for an advantage, not sure if Red Bull is up to the task.
Sieper wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 14:33
That is just Max way of optimizing. When it is faster to enter slow and exit fast he will do that.

Actually if we look at the screenshot posted by AR3-GP above (GP-tempo, I guess), we can see clearly from the speed trace that RB20 quite couldn't match the traction out of corners that McL38 had, and Max had adopted to optimize from late-braking. All the corners (except T14 which is unclear to the eye), Max was late in entry and late to exit - all of Lando's gains were out of the exit from corners, that carried all the way through the straights. That's because low-gear traction was very poor from RB20. Hopefully they have solved that with RB21 - atleast that's what I could see in the two Monza chicances and in sector2 in Baku .

(btw, if you look at the track dominance map, the blue colour appears at exit of corners, rather than entry - but the lap plot shows it the other way around, don't know where the error is - dominance colouring or the lap trace - they don't match each other)

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Wache: “The main focus is also to beat Ferrari and Mercedes in the constructors’ championship.”
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-brac ... title-push

Why? 2nd is the first loser and less aero time. P4 is a good position to carry extra resources into the start of next year.
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AR3-GP wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 18:10
Wache: “The main focus is also to beat Ferrari and Mercedes in the constructors’ championship.”
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-brac ... title-push

Why? 2nd is the first loser and less aero time. P4 is a good position to carry extra resources into the start of next year.
But it pays more money. And they will still get more wind tunnel time than until the next reset.

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This morning Max was driving on the Nüburgring and this afternoon he was driving at the Nordschleife. Max two hours ago:



The Power of Dreams!

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pantherxxx wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 18:14
AR3-GP wrote:
26 Sep 2025, 18:10
Wache: “The main focus is also to beat Ferrari and Mercedes in the constructors’ championship.”
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-brac ... title-push

Why? 2nd is the first loser and less aero time. P4 is a good position to carry extra resources into the start of next year.
But it pays more money. And they will still get more wind tunnel time than until the next reset.
And it's not just from FOM. Usually sponsorship money is also based on WCC position.
Another argument for P2 are higher bonus payments for staff.

BUT I also think more WT and CFD time is highly beneficial in a new set of regulations.

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Enjoy some raw footage of Max Verstappen and Chris Lulham doing there first competitive laps on the Nürburgring Nordschleife
in a Ferrari 296 GT3 run by Emil Frey x Verstappen.com

It was a typical day in the Eifel region with both humid and dry conditions - a perfect test for upcoming races.

Rumour has it that Max did a 7:45 min lap during dry condintions.
The Power of Dreams!

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There is a separate thread now, so probably better to continue those Nordschleife posts over there.

viewtopic.php?p=1303333#p1303333


@Wouter: feel free to cross-quote yourself there, or not. I’ll leave those two posts here to help direct people over there.
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