2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[mwillems]

If all teams have the device, and the key difference is that red bull have made the device accessible from the cockpit then the weight gain from doing that perhaps wouldn't be so bad.

You seem to have forgotten that Red Bull refused a special livery for Singapore, precisely for reasons of weight saving.

The weight gain would be as much as a tiny cable if all was required was a connection and coding.

I'd love to know how it is operated ordinarily and if this device is typically used on the bib by other teams and if so, is it placed in the cockpit ir somewhere else by the other teams.

[nico5]

It's funny how everyone loves the sport, including the fact that engineers look for grey areas in the regulations and try to gain an advantage by doing so. But when some team is caught on this grey zone, immediately starts ‘they are cheaters, how dare they’, especially it is funny if you understand that all the teams are also ‘cheating’, it's just not so easy to find.

This is not about gray areas or cheating the measuring parameters. This is straight out going against the rules betting on the FIA not finding out. It's fraudulent, if they used it as it's speculated.

[Joel709]

It's funny how everyone loves the sport, including the fact that engineers look for grey areas in the regulations and try to gain an advantage by doing so. But when some team is caught on this grey zone, immediately starts ‘they are cheaters, how dare they’, especially it is funny if you understand that all the teams are also ‘cheating’, it's just not so easy to find.

This is not about gray areas or cheating the measuring parameters. This is straight out going against the rules betting on the FIA not finding out. It's fraudulent, if they used it as it's speculated.

The entire schematics were uploaded to fia servers for all the teams to see as it’s a requirement for this area of the car. It wasn’t hidden

[pantherxxx]

Regarding to the 'device' for changing car ride height, Red Bull says it is produced for each team by the same manufacturer, according to
@ErikvHaren
.

They firmly denies usage of device under Parc Fermé:
"It is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run."

However, the FIA is going to monitor more strictly from now on.

[Henk_v]

Well, I think nothing is wrong.

Why the hell would Red Bull design a malicious open source part. It is litterally under the scruteny of dozens of people.

If I read the reporting, the device is legal and compliant. It facilitates fast adjustment in practices.

That does not mean it is readily accessible.

The change is that they will modify the device a bit to make compliance more obvious.

It may well be unintentional either...

I could theoretically repaint my room through the keyhole in the door....

[Vanja #66]

Red bull claims this device is manufactured for all teams in the paddock according to Erik van Haren

All teams have a damping element there since 2022 and all damping elements have lots of setup options. The question is how the setup can be changed and where from. If changing suspension setup can be made without anyone noticing every team would do that, but it can't so they don't

[pantherxxx]

'Red Bull says it is produced for each team by the same manufacturer'

'However, the FIA is going to monitor more strictly from now on.'

Sounds to me like Red Bull Racing got what they wanted. No team will be able to use it.

Maybe it was even VCARB complaining? That would be hilarious.

[taperoo2k]

Red bull claims this device is manufactured for all teams in the paddock according to Erik van Haren

Yeah just noticed this and was about to.edit.

If all teams have the device, and the key difference is that red bull have made the device accessible from the cockpit then the weight gain from doing that perhaps wouldn't be so bad.

If you can adjust the bib and therefore ride height between qualifying and the race via a hidden device? Any weight gain would be offset by the performance gains. It's outright cheating, and if this is what Redbull have done? They should be punished for it.

[Macklaren]

'Red Bull says it is produced for each team by the same manufacturer'

'However, the FIA is going to monitor more strictly from now on.'

Sounds to me like Red Bull Racing got what they wanted. No team will be able to use it.

Maybe it was even VCARB complaining? That would be hilarious.

The issue is not the device itself but how it's controlled (and when it's controlled). The latter was unique to RBR...the device is on every car

[Rikhart]

If all teams have the device, and the key difference is that red bull have made the device accessible from the cockpit then the weight gain from doing that perhaps wouldn't be so bad.

You seem to have forgotten that Red Bull refused a special livery for Singapore, precisely for reasons of weight saving.

The weight gain would be as much as a tiny cable if all was required was a connection and coding.

I'd love to know how it is operated ordinarily and if this device is typically used on the bib by other teams and if so, is it placed in the cockpit ir somewhere else by the other teams.

"Coding?" Bro, you think F1 has active suspensions, or something?

[Quantum]

Red Bull winning 4 of the first 5 GP this season, the odd one out was a DNF due to brakes from a race he was bound to win.

1st of May, Newey departs Red Bull.

1st of May onwards, Red Bull win 3 of the next 13 races complaining of terrible understeer and poor ride quality.

10th September, Newey Joins Aston Martin.

Around 1 month later(Today), we hear about the use of a device all teams have, in a manner not fitting the rules.

All so coincidental.

[Paa]

Guys, we have a dedicated topic for the ride height thing: viewtopic.php?t=31929&start=75

Can we please move the relating discussion there? This overwhelms the team thread.

[Rikhart]

Red Bull winning 4 of the first 5 GP this season, the odd one out was a DNF due to brakes from a race he was bound to win.

1st of May, Newey departs Red Bull.

1st of May onwards, Red Bull win 3 of the next 13 races complaining of terrible understeer and poor ride quality.

10th September, Newey Joins Aston Martin.

Around 1 month later(Today), we hear about the use of a device all teams have, in a manner not fitting the rules.

All so coincidental.

So at this point you're just making stuff up as you go along?

It is understood teams have been alerted to the possibility of this happening through the design details of all cars needing to be uploaded to FIA servers on open-source components – which all competitors have access to.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10663272/

[Quantum]

Red Bull winning 4 of the first 5 GP this season, the odd one out was a DNF due to brakes from a race he was bound to win.

1st of May, Newey departs Red Bull.

1st of May onwards, Red Bull win 3 of the next 13 races complaining of terrible understeer and poor ride quality.

10th September, Newey Joins Aston Martin.

Around 1 month later(Today), we hear about the use of a device all teams have, in a manner not fitting the rules.

All so coincidental.

So at this point you're just making stuff up as you go along?

It is understood teams have been alerted to the possibility of this happening through the design details of all cars needing to be uploaded to FIA servers on open-source components – which all competitors have access to.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10663272/

Sorry what did I make up?

[mwillems]

You seem to have forgotten that Red Bull refused a special livery for Singapore, precisely for reasons of weight saving.

The weight gain would be as much as a tiny cable if all was required was a connection and coding.

I'd love to know how it is operated ordinarily and if this device is typically used on the bib by other teams and if so, is it placed in the cockpit ir somewhere else by the other teams.

"Coding?" Bro, you think F1 has active suspensions, or something?

This was discovered through code posted to the open source server, as is widely known.

What I can't get my head around is if everyone has this device and only the location is different, why would the code show anything new?