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Horner is going at it already.
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Red Bull Racing have announced an agreement with Honda Motor Co Ltd to race with the Japanese manufacturer’s power units for the 2019 and 2020 Formula 1 seasons. The team therefore joins sister team Toro Rosso after their switch to Honda ahead of the 2018 season.
Well he is the only team boss on the grid who can directly know what two current engines produce in terms of power. So if he is mouthing off already about performance then that I think is less because he wants to catch Mercedes and more about not being caught by a honda powered junior team
I agree! They've been slugging it out like Mclaren did with Honda, I really don't like that kind of business management.
Like McLaren did with Honda? Isn't that bit harsh? The relationship clearly didn't work, but I thought both played it quite nice while they were in a far worse place than Red Bull/Renault.nokivasara wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 19:25I agree! They've been slugging it out like Mclaren did with Honda, I really don't like that kind of business management.
They had a good run, now it's time for both to look elsewhere...
I think it will happen, because Renault is probably getting tired by the daily remarks by Horner and Tost. It certainly won't make this year any easier for Red Bull, cause you already can tell what will happen after that.
It is entirely possible that the Renault engine will never make the power it needs to. At this point I think Renaults just trying to drag a customer along long enough to keep the checks coming to help fund the new formulas engine. Rather karma like too as Renault was a major reason this silly engine rule package is even a thing.Manoah2u wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:17Personally, i think Cyril is the biggest flaw in the entire situation.
A relationship that once was the greatest, RedBull and Renault, went completely opposite, and by now, it's more a game of 'ego' than anything else,
and i blame Cyril for that. I don't know what his goal / endgame is, but i never got the feeling they were intending to 'help' RedBull in anyway, despite exactly
that team being the one that got them 4 championships in a row, with the same people at the helm still - except for Cyril, whom came in from Caterham from all places!
And then there's the Toro Rosso - Renault situation last year.
This is helping nobody. I hope Honda will be able to fix their issues really soon - OR, that in the background, there's a 'secret' AstonMartin-Cosworth engine being prepared.
Yeah, maybe it was a bit harsh. Anyway, I think they will go separate ways after this year, with RB running a Honda engine next.RonDennis wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 01:30Like McLaren did with Honda? Isn't that bit harsh? The relationship clearly didn't work, but I thought both played it quite nice while they were in a far worse place than Red Bull/Renault.nokivasara wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 19:25I agree! They've been slugging it out like Mclaren did with Honda, I really don't like that kind of business management.
They had a good run, now it's time for both to look elsewhere...
I think it will happen, because Renault is probably getting tired by the daily remarks by Horner and Tost. It certainly won't make this year any easier for Red Bull, cause you already can tell what will happen after that.
Toro Rosso technical chief James Key is not concerned about no longer being Honda's exclusive Formula 1 power unit partner in 2019 should Red Bull strike an engine deal, believing it can only be a good thing for the B-team.
Toro Rosso picked up works engine support from Honda for 2018 following the Japanese manufacturer's split from McLaren, with the deal appearing to open the door for a possible deal between its senior team, Red Bull, and Honda for next season.
Red Bull F1 chief Christian Horner confirmed the team was keeping its options open for the future and would be paying close attention to how Honda fared with Toro Rosso through 2018, but has until May to give existing engine partner Renault a decision for next season.
Although Toro Rosso would lose its exclusive works backing and become the secondary partner were the larger Red Bull operation to receive Honda support, Key feels it would only act as a boost to the team.
"What Red Bull Racing do is ultimately their decision in the end, but if we can share an engine supplier, it would be very good," Key said.
"I think it’s an opportunity to work closer together on certain aspects, which would be good for both teams. So in that respect I have no issues with it.
"We have a separate deal to whatever Red Bull would have. It’s not a combined contract, it’s an STR contract for three years as a works deal.
"I think if Red Bull came onboard, it could only be added to that for us."
