No More Grid Girls - replaced by Grid Kids

[AJI]

Great, the perspective of a pretty 19 year old girl. Such insight into life

You're right. A male F1 fanatic probably should be making the decisions for 19 year old girls. I'm paraphrasing Harvey Weinstein of course.

[hurril]

Great, the perspective of a pretty 19 year old girl. Such insight into life

You're right. A male F1 fanatic probably should be making the decisions for 19 year old girls. I'm paraphrasing Harvey Weinstein of course.

Just stop with the dick fencing. Even with the biggest dick around, you're still wrong if you're wrong.

It is a perfectly valid position to have that a random pretty girl has nothing to do with motor sport. Unless, of course, she's a driver, a mechanic, boss, etc. I have _zero_ interest in what the women in question want to do with their lives and if their idea of making a decent living is one that entails showing their titties, then so be it. No problem here.

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

[Squid]

@Phil

Agree with you man. The thing is that this is where the world of business is heading. Everything is being sterilized and made to be as neutral as possible to maximize the product's audience and revenue and prevent brand damage. Advertisers like safe investments that won't offend anyone. How can advertisers risk upsetting people who have the power to make their opinions heard by hundreds of thousands? Nowadays trying to promote something without offending someone is like trying to cross a minefield, and you can't risk anything. One misplaced word and you're trending on Twitter and your brand is suddenly racist, sexist or whatever -ist they came up with this time.

This is a great article written by a brand strategist on how people can abuse their power in social media.

[Restomaniac]

Great, the perspective of a pretty 19 year old girl. Such insight into life

You're right. A male F1 fanatic probably should be making the decisions for 19 year old girls. I'm paraphrasing Harvey Weinstein of course.

Just stop with the dick fencing. Even with the biggest dick around, you're still wrong if you're wrong.

It is a perfectly valid position to have that a random pretty girl has nothing to do with motor sport. Unless, of course, she's a driver, a mechanic, boss, etc. I have _zero_ interest in what the women in question want to do with their lives and if their idea of making a decent living is one that entails showing their titties, then so be it. No problem here.

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

Yes because you get to think for everybody else obviously. Oh and BTW I have never nor I doubt will ever go to a 'tittybar' as you call it.


I'm just sick of big gobs telling me and others what we can and cannot think and do.

[hurril]

You're right. A male F1 fanatic probably should be making the decisions for 19 year old girls. I'm paraphrasing Harvey Weinstein of course.

Just stop with the dick fencing. Even with the biggest dick around, you're still wrong if you're wrong.

It is a perfectly valid position to have that a random pretty girl has nothing to do with motor sport. Unless, of course, she's a driver, a mechanic, boss, etc. I have _zero_ interest in what the women in question want to do with their lives and if their idea of making a decent living is one that entails showing their titties, then so be it. No problem here.

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

Yes because you get to think for everybody else obviously. Oh and BTW I have never nor I doubt will ever go to a 'tittybar' as you call it.


I'm just sick of big gobs telling me what I can and cannot think and do.

Your reply makes absolutely no sense at all. Nobody is thinking for you and nobody is telling you what you can and cannot do.

[AJI]

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

Hurril, I really didn't mean this to turn into a whole thing. I simply asked my daughter what her opinion was on the situation because it was on the news tonight and is more relevant to her than to probably anyone else on this site.
She simply suggested that we needed to find something else to talk about because the topic is ridiculous. In her words, "this has nothing to do with how women feel, but more about how men feel about how women feel..."

[hurril]

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

Hurril, I really didn't mean this to turn into a whole thing. I simply asked my daughter what her opinion was on the situation because it was on the news tonight and is more relevant to her than to probably anyone else on this site.
She simply suggested that we needed to find something else to talk about because the topic is ridiculous. In her words, "this has nothing to do with how women feel, but more about how men feel about how women feel..."

And I agree with here there for the most part. But at least in my case: this has _nothing_ to do with women, the women there as individuals or how anyone else feels about this. I'm speaking my own mind here and that is that _I_ find it tacky. I dislike the fact that I should have to be associated with the mouth breathers that want to have women as objects around any event for men.

It's just insulting. "Look, guys, selling cars here. Don't mind the women crawling half-naked on the hood." I mean: really? Wtf am I, a --- monkey?

And trust me on this one: I am not a feminist, leftist, SJW or anything even close to it. More power to the women that chose to be the objects of guy's fantasies, I really do not judge. So this is not some bloke wanting to talk down to women, telling them what they ought to be allowed. If anything I'm judging men.

[Harvey]

F1 should be loud, fast, dangerous and glamorous/prestige and sexy.

Should we now pretend make-up, jewellery and drama soaps are mens cup of tea as well?

The problem is though that volume, speed, danger and prestige are, in essence, objective - although somewhat relative. So that's easy to "improve" or maintain. But who decides what's sexy? And why do they get to do that rather than the person 3 seats down?

And on the second point I've quoted: why pretend? They absolutely are for men as well. Do you not think men wear rings or necklaces or earrings? Do you think men don't watch East Enders (in the UK - there's probably an equivalent in other countries)? And you've obviously never watched Ru Paul's Drag Race if you think men should never wear makeup - and if you haven't, I suggest you should; might give you an idea of what fighting for equality is truly like for the people who don't have the privilege inherent in the system.

[marmer]

Perhaps they could be given jobs in the kitchen making sandwiches ..... O that's sexist too damm love how a bunch of men at the top of Motorsport and business decided to make a bunch of woman jobless without asking them if they feel degraded etc... Just because it could be sexist. Now they have to find jobs away from racing into industry that for them might be more sexist than F1 (other modelling porn sex trade ) as let's be honest most of these women are likely not skilled in anything else if this is all they have done

[Phil]

Oh I am very open minded. I was more going by the statistical argument that men and women are inherently different and by sheer numbers will be attracted to different aspects of life and things. Yes, there are the odd ones out here and there, absolutely, but the overall point of my post was that the core audience of the F1 shouldn't be forgotten and if you change too far, you run the risk of losing them in the process. Sooner or later, all these little things will add up.

[Restomaniac]

Just stop with the dick fencing. Even with the biggest dick around, you're still wrong if you're wrong.

It is a perfectly valid position to have that a random pretty girl has nothing to do with motor sport. Unless, of course, she's a driver, a mechanic, boss, etc. I have _zero_ interest in what the women in question want to do with their lives and if their idea of making a decent living is one that entails showing their titties, then so be it. No problem here.

F1 is not a tittie bar, however.

TL;DR: if I want to see titties, I'll look at my wife or visit a tittybar. I do not enjoy the idea that everything that involves male interest should have to imply there being uncalled for titties.

Yes because you get to think for everybody else obviously. Oh and BTW I have never nor I doubt will ever go to a 'tittybar' as you call it.


I'm just sick of big gobs telling me what I can and cannot think and do.

Your reply makes absolutely no sense at all. Nobody is thinking for you and nobody is telling you what you can and cannot do.

No that's exactly what you and your ilk are doing.

Those women are now no longer employed in something they enjoyed doing. Don't believe me? Look and the hundreds of comments from actual women doing that job.

Were they asked their opinion? No they weren't. Were they asked if they felt used? No they weren't.
They lost their jobs due to an agenda, nothing more. That agenda refuses to let anyone else have an opinion. If anyone does have differing opinions they are an 'ism of some kind and are shouted down. It also has a lovely line in dictating how companies act due to creating huge amounts of negative press.

Your opinion is.
If we lose fans, tough.
If those women are now out of work, tough.
Because your opinion and your views are so much more important than their opinions and jobs obviously.

[FrukostScones]

This most definitely a "good thing".

I hope F1 does lose fans from this move. Cos they're not the fans F1 should be pandering to. If they're gonna throw their toys out the pram cos they can't look at women when they should be watching a motor race then f*ck 'em. There's no space in this world for such old fashioned views. Guess what? The world has moved on from the 1970s. Not that the James Hunt/Steve McQueen style of philandering, that people (ie, old men) seem to hold in such high esteem, was acceptable then.

The idea of a grid girl is absolutely out dated. They're the motorsport equivalent of the hostesses from that recent "Director's Club" event in the news recently. The only reason they're hired is to be eye candy for rich old men. But this isn't a modelling event, is it? It's a race. It just plays up to the antiquated ideals of men being butch, knarley gladiators and women being the collective spoils of war.

Privilege is a funny thing: those who have it feel attacked and discriminated when true equality is achieved

LOL, the stands would be empty. Ever had a close eye on F1 Fans...?

[bonjon1979]

My kids certainly won't grow up looking at only emulating what they see women doing. Thats just dumb, my girls (5 & 7) already want to be an astronaut and a golfer 2 things you associate with men. And both of them will watch and see a lot of F1 and neither have ever said to me they want to be grid girls.

As for comments of latex playmates, I thought that generally the grid girls are dressed well.

I think you're missing the point. Not only is it about how your daughter's ambitions may be influenced but perpetuating the damaging narrative that woman are objects simply to be looked at, it also creates another generation of men who treat women as objects. I thought you guys watched for the racing, not to jerk off like horny little teenagers. There are plenty of mags and websites you can go to for that sort of thing.

let me ask you this - when you see a classic Greek nude woman statue in a museum somewhere, do you instantly feel the need to touch yourself? and if the answer is yes, do you think of yourself as true representative of the whole men gender? I don't know who came up with the sexual angle to this, it must be one troubled mind...

this whole nonissue is just another agenda from people who should not be in a position to be able to influence public opinion, they should be carrying bricks somewhere, or shoveling dirt, that would be infinitely more useful to society in general that this BS

I think men like you who think the subjugation of women is a 'non-issue' is where the problem lies. And I'm not going to debate this further with someone who equates the use of young women as mere sexual props for a Grand Prix race to a solid statue made of stone. Indeed, the very fact that you equate the two points to quite a sinister attitude towards women. An inert carved piece of rock is the same to you as a real life woman. Ponder that awhile...

[hurril]

Yes because you get to think for everybody else obviously. Oh and BTW I have never nor I doubt will ever go to a 'tittybar' as you call it.


I'm just sick of big gobs telling me what I can and cannot think and do.

Your reply makes absolutely no sense at all. Nobody is thinking for you and nobody is telling you what you can and cannot do.

No that's exactly what you and your ilk are doing.

Those women are now no longer employed in something they enjoyed doing. Don't believe me? Look and the hundreds of comments from actual women doing that job.

Where they asked their opinion? No they weren't. Where they asked if they felt used? No they weren't.
They lost their jobs due to an agenda, nothing more. That agenda refuses to let anyone else have an opinion. If anyone does have differing opinions they are an 'ism of some kind and are shouted down. It also has a lovely line in dictating how companies act due to creating huge amounts of negative press.

Your opinion is.
If we lose fans, tough.
If those women are now out of work, tough.
Because your opinion and your views are so much more important than their opinions and jobs obviously.

Rubbish. I vote using my wallet just like you and everyone else does; only difference is that I am aware of that fact so I make it more deliberate. I will not put my money where a product is sold using female bodies.

People can become unemployed and learn something else. We used to have horse carriage drivers too and they are all out of jobs now. Are you sorry for them? Did you ask them how they feel? Do you want to bring that back?

I don't care what other fans want or if the sport loses or gains fans. I'm speaking my own mind as a fan myself. As a fan, I want to see motor events. I would _love_ to see more women in it. As drivers, mechanics, bosses(!) and the like. Not as play things although I really do not judge women that _do_ want to be models or F1 women. I just don't wish to consume it.

[McHonda]

What do they add to F1?