2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Espresso]

Great news. The dynamic duo is together again. Will she come with him to Ferrari?
They both left a very difficult enviroment. With Angela come back to boast Lewis to Max performance.
A promising exiting 2025 season. It´s time for Ferrari to win both Championships!

...And Angela in Ferrari red....drives Ferrari fans craz....

https://talksport.com/motorsport/246528 ... 1-ferrari/

[mstar]

I hope so. BUt no announcement

[bananapeel23]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

My understanding is that Hamilton likes a fairly balanced car, perhaps with a minor bias for oversteer, while Leclerc likes cars that are extremely oversteery. He tends to underperform slightly when the balace isn’t to his liking, as indicated by the fact that Sainz would be a lot closer to (arguably equal to) Leclerc when the car balance was off.

Ferrari hasn’t really shown any kind of indication that they tailored their car development to Leclerc when Sainz was in the team, and I see no reason why they would change that approach with Hamilton there.

That is to say that the 677 will be as fast as Ferrari can make it, while the drivers will be expected to adapt to the car characteristics for the most part. Obviously they have some input on the development and setup, but generally they will be forced to adapt.

[r85]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... ing-style/

This article explains it really well. It's more inclined towards Hamilton but touches on the way Leclerc drives.

[Sphere3758]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... ing-style/

This article explains it really well. It's more inclined towards Hamilton but touches on the way Leclerc drives.

Thanks for sharing! It did feel like the introduction of a flexier front wing at Ferrari did affect Leclerc more as well, his qualifying got a bit more erratic and he made unforced errors in q3.

Sainz in comparison seemed a lot more at ease with it.

[f1316]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... ing-style/

This article explains it really well. It's more inclined towards Hamilton but touches on the way Leclerc drives.

Thanks for sharing! It did feel like the introduction of a flexier front wing at Ferrari did affect Leclerc more as well, his qualifying got a bit more erratic and he made unforced errors in q3.

Sainz in comparison seemed a lot more at ease with it.

I think you’re right to some extent but it never really made sense to me: if you have a flexi front wing, you can add fw angle without as much drag penalty and that ought to mean more front end. Shouldn’t that help a driver who has a preference towards oversteer?

I will say that leclerc’s drive in the race they introduced the flexible front wing (Austin) was masterful and I think generally in the races he’s been strong since then; but you’re right that relative to Sainz his qualifying has been a bit up and down in that short period.

[PlatinumZealot]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

My understanding is that Hamilton likes a fairly balanced car, perhaps with a minor bias for oversteer, while Leclerc likes cars that are extremely oversteery. He tends to underperform slightly when the balace isn’t to his liking, as indicated by the fact that Sainz would be a lot closer to (arguably equal to) Leclerc when the car balance was off.

Ferrari hasn’t really shown any kind of indication that they tailored their car development to Leclerc when Sainz was in the team, and I see no reason why they would change that approach with Hamilton there.

That is to say that the 677 will be as fast as Ferrari can make it, while the drivers will be expected to adapt to the car characteristics for the most part. Obviously they have some input on the development and setup, but generally they will be forced to adapt.

The cars arw different. Watch Hamilton in the V8 era and make your judgement. It's not oversteer is his problem. It's the finnicky nature of the ground effect cars. They don't compute for him. I will even argue that Alonso lost speed with these cars too. Lance has been a bit too close for a normal Alonso. If Hamilton survive until the new regulations with light cars, less ground effect, we might get to see the old Hamilton again.

[bananapeel23]

I have always read mixed feedback on how aligned Charles and Lewis’s driving styles are. Could someone here shed some light on this topic?

And in the areas where they differ, how do you expect Ferrari to lean? I am sure the first version of the car is not changeable anymore, but talking about the upgrades.

My understanding is that Hamilton likes a fairly balanced car, perhaps with a minor bias for oversteer, while Leclerc likes cars that are extremely oversteery. He tends to underperform slightly when the balace isn’t to his liking, as indicated by the fact that Sainz would be a lot closer to (arguably equal to) Leclerc when the car balance was off.

Ferrari hasn’t really shown any kind of indication that they tailored their car development to Leclerc when Sainz was in the team, and I see no reason why they would change that approach with Hamilton there.

That is to say that the 677 will be as fast as Ferrari can make it, while the drivers will be expected to adapt to the car characteristics for the most part. Obviously they have some input on the development and setup, but generally they will be forced to adapt.

The cars arw different. Watch Hamilton in the V8 era and make your judgement. It's not oversteer is his problem. It's the finnicky nature of the ground effect cars. They don't compute for him. I will even argue that Alonso lost speed with these cars too. Lance has been a bit too close for a normal Alonso. If Hamilton survive until the new regulations with light cars, less ground effect, we might get to see the old Hamilton again.

I never implied oversteer was his problem. I just said his ideal car isn’t as pointy as something Leclerc or Verstappen prefers driving.

Hamiltons struggles with this era of cars has also been overstated imo. He was definitely a top 4 driver in 2023 and only got beaten by Russell in 2022 because he went for experimental setups that aided the development of the W13.

His 2024 was awful though, except for a few massive exceptions that proved he can absolutely deliver in these cars as long as they act predictably.

Luckily the 2024 Ferrari seems to be one of the most predictable cars we’ve seen in this era. If the 2025 car stays that way, Hamilton should do very well.

[PlatinumZealot]

I never implied oversteer was his problem. I just said his ideal car isn’t as pointy as something Leclerc or Verstappen prefers driving.

Hamiltons struggles with this era of cars has also been overstated imo. He was definitely a top 4 driver in 2023 and only got beaten by Russell in 2022 because he went for experimental setups that aided the development of the W13.

His 2024 was awful though, except for a few massive exceptions that proved he can absolutely deliver in these cars as long as they act predictably.

Luckily the 2024 Ferrari seems to be one of the most predictable cars we’ve seen in this era. If the 2025 car stays that way, Hamilton should do very well.

No one knows who prefers what between those three. Even Max has no preference. He drives what is needed to go fast. Same for leclrec and Lewis. However Lewis' brain is not able to rationalize the unnatural feeling of the ground effect platform.

With gound effect you rarelt see a full oversteer going through corner. But you frequently see sudden snaps of these cars from under to oversteer mid-corner to late corner.

That's just the ground effect air flow being shifted to the wrong place because of the driver's input. Lewis is not able to compute this as well as the younger drivers (especially in qualifying when the car is at it's lightest and the suspension magic is working in a more sensitive mode.

[Sphere3758]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... ing-style/

This article explains it really well. It's more inclined towards Hamilton but touches on the way Leclerc drives.

Thanks for sharing! It did feel like the introduction of a flexier front wing at Ferrari did affect Leclerc more as well, his qualifying got a bit more erratic and he made unforced errors in q3.

Sainz in comparison seemed a lot more at ease with it.

I think you’re right to some extent but it never really made sense to me: if you have a flexi front wing, you can add fw angle without as much drag penalty and that ought to mean more front end. Shouldn’t that help a driver who has a preference towards oversteer?

I will say that leclerc’s drive in the race they introduced the flexible front wing (Austin) was masterful and I think generally in the races he’s been strong since then; but you’re right that relative to Sainz his qualifying has been a bit up and down in that short period.

To be completely honest, Austin was decided in turn 1. If Sainz has led out of there, I am pretty sure he would have won it too. Leclerc did not have a pace advantage over Sainz there, atleast not enough to overtake.

[bananapeel23]

To be completely honest, Austin was decided in turn 1. If Sainz has led out of there, I am pretty sure he would have won it too. Leclerc did not have a pace advantage over Sainz there, atleast not enough to overtake.

I don't think we have a clue what would've happened in Austin if they came out of turn 1 in a different order. Ferrari was so dominant that they spent the entire race managing their pace. They were clearly just maintaining a safety car gap to p3.

[DJ Downforce]

I never implied oversteer was his problem. I just said his ideal car isn’t as pointy as something Leclerc or Verstappen prefers driving.

Hamiltons struggles with this era of cars has also been overstated imo. He was definitely a top 4 driver in 2023 and only got beaten by Russell in 2022 because he went for experimental setups that aided the development of the W13.

His 2024 was awful though, except for a few massive exceptions that proved he can absolutely deliver in these cars as long as they act predictably.

Luckily the 2024 Ferrari seems to be one of the most predictable cars we’ve seen in this era. If the 2025 car stays that way, Hamilton should do very well.

No one knows who prefers what between those three. Even Max has no preference. He drives what is needed to go fast. Same for leclrec and Lewis. However Lewis' brain is not able to rationalize the unnatural feeling of the ground effect platform.

With gound effect you rarelt see a full oversteer going through corner. But you frequently see sudden snaps of these cars from under to oversteer mid-corner to late corner.

That's just the ground effect air flow being shifted to the wrong place because of the driver's input. Lewis is not able to compute this as well as the younger drivers (especially in qualifying when the car is at it's lightest and the suspension magic is working in a more sensitive mode.

It's also the tyres. As soon as you push in a qualifying lap the tyres overheat. Lewis' late braking doesn't support these tyres and they overheat. The W15 was notorious for rear tyre overheating issues, this just made the problem worse. The w13 and w14 were generally kinder on tyres therefore the overheating problem didn't present itself as much. If the Ferrari retains the same suspension-tyre behaviour from this year, Hamilton will be more comfortable.

[Luscion]

Lewis starting simulator work on the 20th with him and Charles doing test sessions on the 22nd (if the weather is good). Theyre gonna use the F1-75

https://autoracer.it/it/esclusiva-ferra ... o-in-pista

[Venturiation]

The new elegant marketing with Lewis hamilton is so much better than what they were doing last year

[214270]

The new elegant marketing with Lewis hamilton is so much better than what they were doing last year

That particular shade of crimson is gorgeous.